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[Tripp Tibbetts <slowfoodguy@yahoo.com>]

Thank you Douglas, Scott, Dylan, Lisa, and Steve!  Always appreciate advice 
from people with solid hands-on experience.  Lespedeza was mentioned during 
the goat exchange as a possibility, and my wife and Steve both mentioned 
wormwood.  Sounds like Russian/Autumn olive is more trouble than it's worth, 
as kudzu would be, even if they're just doing their job!
 
I think I'll try the Siberian pea shrub, maybe in a semi-shade location since 
it's so bloody hot down here, and I was already considering planting black 
walnuts in the "back 40" between a mature pecan and hackberry - see if I can 
get a Hemenway-style, juglone-neutralizing walnut guild going.  For blacks it 
takes two to fruit; I assume I could plant them in the same hole to save 
space?  Anyone done this?
 
Possible chance of buying the 1/4 acre and house next door to us for under 
$5000!  That would double our garden and give us the option of housing a 
wwoofer for the season starting 2011.  Under 10k for 2 houses and a half acre 
in town.  There will always be options for the flexible!
 
Thanks again, guys.
Tripp out.



The best fertilizer is the gardener's shadow.
-Chinese proverb
 

--- On Sun, 5/16/10, Douglas Woodard <dwoodard@becon.org> wrote:


From: Douglas Woodard <dwoodard@becon.org>
Subject: Re: [permaculture] goat worming plants?
To: "permaculture" <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
Date: Sunday, May 16, 2010, 3:33 AM


You might look into the various lespedezas native and exotic, some have 
been used as commercial forage crops.

I've read that birdsfoot trefoil helps sheep with parasites due to the 
tannin content.

Doug Woodard
St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada


Tripp Tibbetts wrote:
> We just got a new Kiko nanny goat this morning, freshly wormed from her 
> previous owner, and I'm wondering what I can plant in the orchard to help 
> with worms in the future, as Ivermectin isn't exactly part of my typical 
> grocery list.  At Darren Doherty's Keyline class in Aromas, CA, back in 
> October someone mentioned using diatomaceous earth, at which point I caught 
> Darren's eye and we were both shaking our heads.  Wha?  But surely there 
> are plants that can help in this regard.  Would love to hear about them.
>  
> Also, we're in a hot muggy zone 8 climate in the southeastern US and I'm 
> looking for diversity in the high-protein fodder department.  Does anyone 
> have experience with Siberian pea shrub down here?  What about mimosa?  Not 
> a lot of foliage, so not sure it's worth planting, but grows readily here.  
> What else?  Eleagnus?  Russian olive does almost too well around here.  Do 
> goats dig it?
>  
> Cheers,
> Tripp
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I have seen very small-scale salt evaporation projects in both Washington 
state and southeast Alaska. Also, many northwest pacific coastal tribes 
relied on seaweed for their salt. When we gather it for drying, we often find 
visible salt crystals on the leaves. Some methods of preserving salmon 
involve first wrapping the fish in layers of seaweed.

> Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 20:59:34 -0400
> From: venaurafarm@bellsouth.net
> To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] How Much Land Does It Take        To      
> Become  Food    Self-Reliant
> 
> jamesdavid Sneed wrote:
> 
> <...>
> 
> Glad to see your followup in this important thread. Roll on!
> 
> You _can_ grow _all_ your own food, except salt. Depends on your diet 
> and physical condition as to how successful you will be at maintaning a 
> health state of being. Permaculture should not teach that you _should_ 
> do this but should urge everyone to grow some of eir food if that can 
> and if not barter or buy it from others who grow for themselves or also 
> for market with the commericial grocery chain conventional or organic 
> offerings as a last choice. This is going to be a bigger and bigger deal 
> as time passes andwe move past high noon with access to fossil fuel
> and other products they make possible.
> 
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