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  • From: "Lisa Rollens" <rollens@fidnet.com>
  • To: "permaculture" <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [permaculture] goat worming plants?
  • Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 18:51:22 -0500

Hi Tripp,

I am in the hot, muggy Ozarks of MO, zone 6 currently. One of the old time worming remedies was black walnuts. I notice that my animals eat black walnut leaves of any low enough branch. Seems that the old time way was to throw a few ripe black walnuts in the water troughs. I don't know if chickory is a worming plant or not, but it's great in pastures. All the animals eat it and of course, it's a dynamic accumulator plant.

Do you have honey locust down there? We have it all over here and I pick up the pods in the fall and feed them all winter. High protein free fodder! I think it would also make a forage plant for droughts if one were to cut branches for the animals to eat. (There are naturallythornless trees.) I did try siberian pea shrub here, and they took a couple years to get established, probably due to the summer heat and drought. This year they seem to have really taken hold and are growing vigorously.

As for Russian olive, even in Ohio, my animals were in a neighbor's pasture that was taken over with it. All the animals ate the Russian olive, almost to the point of no return, to the joy of my neighbor. He dug up the remains. I am sure with goats' penchant for peeling bark Russian olives would not last long. Here in the Ozarks we have Autumn olive, like Russian, but with edible berries that are great for jam and wine and eating fresh. I am again sure the goats would eat them to the ground, so you would have to control access. However, if you don't have autumn olive around the neighborhood, you might not want to plant them as they are quite invasive if there is an open niche, as with Russian olives.

I'd be careful with mimosa too. The saying in the south is that if you want to get rid of mimosa....move north. If you don't have them, I wouldn't plant them! Ditto kudzu.

Now that I think about it, goats killed a mimosa in the yard of a rent house on my road to town, here in the Ozarks.

Did you read the article/book by Elliot that Lawrence London gave a link for a couple days ago. entitled "herbal pastures"?? It's on the Journey to Forever site. I am in the process of reading it and it is interesting and may give you some ideas about plants for pastures.

Don't forget plantain in the pastures...the animals seem to love that also. In south Arkansas prime goat food, esp in winter, was honeysuckle and poison ivy. That's why I got goats in the first place.

Good luck, Lisa


----- Original Message ----- From: "Tripp Tibbetts" <slowfoodguy@yahoo.com>
To: "permaculture" <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 2:53 PM
Subject: [permaculture] goat worming plants?


We just got a new Kiko nanny goat this morning, freshly wormed from her previous owner, and I'm wondering what I can plant in the orchard to help with worms in the future, as Ivermectin isn't exactly part of my typical grocery list. At Darren Doherty's Keyline class in Aromas, CA, back in October someone mentioned using diatomaceous earth, at which point I caught Darren's eye and we were both shaking our heads. Wha? But surely there are plants that can help in this regard. Would love to hear about them.

Also, we're in a hot muggy zone 8 climate in the southeastern US and I'm looking for diversity in the high-protein fodder department. Does anyone have experience with Siberian pea shrub down here? What about mimosa? Not a lot of foliage, so not sure it's worth planting, but grows readily here. What else? Eleagnus? Russian olive does almost too well around here. Do goats dig it?

Cheers,
Tripp



The best fertilizer is the gardener's shadow.
-Chinese proverb




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