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["Scott Pittman" <scott@permaculture.org>]

Just a comment on goats affinity toward Russian Olive, our goats won't touch
it!  They love elm, anything in the Rosaceae family, and Siberian pea shrub.
Perhaps they haven't been hungry enough for Russian Olive but so far they
are not helping me with the rampancy. 

Scott Pittman
Director
Permaculture Institute
www.permaculture.org
-----Original Message-----
From: permaculture-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org
[mailto:permaculture-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Lisa Rollens
Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 5:51 PM
To: permaculture
Subject: Re: [permaculture] goat worming plants?

Hi Tripp,

I am in the hot, muggy Ozarks of MO, zone 6 currently.  One of the old time 
worming remedies was black walnuts.  I notice that my animals eat black 
walnut leaves of any low enough branch.  Seems that the old time way was to 
throw a few ripe black walnuts in the water troughs.  I don't know if 
chickory is a worming plant or not, but it's great in pastures.  All the 
animals eat it and of course, it's a dynamic accumulator plant.

Do you have honey locust down there?  We have it all over here and I pick up

the pods in the fall and feed them all winter.  High protein free fodder!  I

think it would also make a forage plant for droughts if one were to cut 
branches for the animals to eat.  (There are naturallythornless trees.)  I 
did try siberian pea shrub here, and they took a couple years to get 
established, probably due to the summer heat and drought.  This year they 
seem to have really taken hold and are growing vigorously.

As for Russian olive, even in Ohio, my animals were in a neighbor's pasture 
that was taken over with it.  All the animals ate the Russian olive, almost 
to the point of no return, to the joy of my neighbor.  He dug up the 
remains.  I am sure with goats' penchant for peeling bark Russian olives 
would not last long.  Here in the Ozarks we have Autumn olive, like Russian,

but with edible berries that are great for jam and wine and eating fresh.  I

am again sure the goats would eat them to the ground, so you would have to 
control access.  However, if you don't have autumn olive around the 
neighborhood, you might not want to plant them as they are quite invasive if

there is an open niche, as with Russian olives.

I'd be careful with mimosa too.  The saying in the south is that if you want

to get rid of mimosa....move north.  If you don't have them, I wouldn't 
plant them!  Ditto kudzu.

Now that I think about it, goats killed a mimosa in the yard of a rent house

on my road to town, here in the Ozarks.

Did you read the article/book by Elliot that Lawrence London gave a link for

a couple days ago. entitled "herbal pastures"??  It's on the Journey to 
Forever site.  I am in the process of reading it and it is interesting and 
may give you some ideas about plants for pastures.

Don't forget plantain in the pastures...the animals seem to love that also. 
In south Arkansas prime goat food, esp in winter, was honeysuckle and poison

ivy.  That's why I got goats in the first place.

Good luck, Lisa


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tripp Tibbetts" <slowfoodguy@yahoo.com>
To: "permaculture" <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 2:53 PM
Subject: [permaculture] goat worming plants?


We just got a new Kiko nanny goat this morning, freshly wormed from her 
previous owner, and I'm wondering what I can plant in the orchard to help 
with worms in the future, as Ivermectin isn't exactly part of my typical 
grocery list. At Darren Doherty's Keyline class in Aromas, CA, back in 
October someone mentioned using diatomaceous earth, at which point I caught 
Darren's eye and we were both shaking our heads. Wha? But surely there are 
plants that can help in this regard. Would love to hear about them.

Also, we're in a hot muggy zone 8 climate in the southeastern US and I'm 
looking for diversity in the high-protein fodder department. Does anyone 
have experience with Siberian pea shrub down here? What about mimosa? Not a 
lot of foliage, so not sure it's worth planting, but grows readily here. 
What else? Eleagnus? Russian olive does almost too well around here. Do 
goats dig it?

Cheers,
Tripp



The best fertilizer is the gardener's shadow.
-Chinese proverb




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