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[akmanty <akmanty@sbcglobal.net>]

Do you care to tell how you pasteurize?  temperature
and length of time or is that a professional secret?
Karen    akmanty@scglobal.net


At 06:40 PM 12/12/2007, you wrote:
> We are a small batch
> facility....400 gallons to the batch.   We use do use 
> drops from time to time.  All of our apples are sanitized before
> packing or 
> using for cider and we pasteurize our cider, plus wash our sealed room
> cider 
> mill with bleach between each batch, so we have no e-coli issues. 
> Anyone 
> who serves cider to the public and does not use sanitation procedures is
> asking for a problem!
>
> Dennis Norton
> Royal Oak Farm Orchard
> http://www.royaloakfarmorchard.com
> http://www.theorchardkeeper.blogspot.com
> http://www.revivalhymn.com
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Thomas Olenio" <tolenio@sentex.net>
> To: "'North American Fruit Explorers'"
> <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 3:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [NAFEX] more E.coli
>
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > Small batch facilities will take all comers.  They ask no
> questions and 
> > all
> > you need is one contaminated apple to get into production and it
> effects 
> > all
> > batches run that day.  The whole facility is NOT washed between
> customer
> > batches.  I have been in a number of them in Ontario.
> >
> > Tom
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org
> >
> [
> mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Naomi
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 4:05 PM
> > To: 'North American Fruit Explorers'
> > Subject: Re: [NAFEX] more E.coli
> >
> > Or a chicken coop.. ya know which hole the eggs come outta?
> >
> > Free ranging chickens and turkeys can be a self terminating
> venture..dogs,
> > foxes, skunks.. It is better to coop them at night unless your trees
> are
> > really big.
> >
> > I thought it was no longer permitterd to make commercial cider out
> of 
> > drops.
> > Naomi
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org
> >
> [
> mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Thomas
> Olenio
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 1:38 PM
> > To: 'North American Fruit Explorers'
> > Subject: Re: [NAFEX] more E.coli
> >
> > Hi Gordon,
> >
> > Turkeys and chickens roost in trees.
> >
> > Cider is made from drops.
> >
> > Don't feel bad, city folk do not know these things, while I have no
> idea
> > what alley or part of the city to avoid.
> >
> > Most city folk would never drink milk again after spending five
> minutes in 
> > a
> > dairy barn.
> >
> > Later,
> > Tom
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org
> >
> [
> mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Lucky
> Pittman
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 12:27 PM
> > To: North American Fruit Explorers
> > Subject: [NAFEX] more E.coli
> >
> > At 10:56 AM 12/12/2007, Gordon wrote:
> >
> >>I, for one, fail to see how cows, turkeys, or even humans
> defecating
> >>in an orchard would damage the fruit unless the fruit was allowed
> to
> >>fall on the ground.  Even then they could be sanatarily
> washed off
> >>so that no danger would exist.
> >
> > That's the point - dropped apples.  There have been several
> oubreaks
> > of hemorrhagic enterocolitis and HUS due to E.coli O157/H7,
> traced
> > back to unpasteurized apple cider made from or including
> dropped
> > apples that were picked up and pressed without being
> washed/brushed
> > to remove surface contaminants.
> > I was fairly certain that in at least one of those(I was thinking
> it
> > was a CT outbreak, back in the early '90s), they isolated
> O157/H7
> > from some deer fecal pellets they collected in the orchard - but
> I
> > can't find documentation in a quick Google search.
> > But, subsequent to those outbreaks, CDC has issued guidelines
> > recommending that cider processors wash & brush dropped fruits,
> and
> > some additional work has been done incorporating sodium benzoate
> into
> > the wash/rinse water, as well.
> >
> > Contaminated, damaged apples can support the growth of E.coli
> > O157/H7, and fruit flies can carry it from contaminated wounds
> to
> > uncontaminated wounds.
> >
>
> http://aem.asm.org/cgi/content/full/65/1/1
> >
> > Lucky
> >
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