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["Thomas Olenio" <tolenio@sentex.net>]

Hello,

Small batch facilities will take all comers.  They ask no questions and all
you need is one contaminated apple to get into production and it effects all
batches run that day.  The whole facility is NOT washed between customer
batches.  I have been in a number of them in Ontario.

Tom

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[mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Naomi
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 4:05 PM
To: 'North American Fruit Explorers'
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] more E.coli

Or a chicken coop.. ya know which hole the eggs come outta?

Free ranging chickens and turkeys can be a self terminating venture..dogs,
foxes, skunks.. It is better to coop them at night unless your trees are
really big.

I thought it was no longer permitterd to make commercial cider out of drops.
Naomi

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Olenio
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 1:38 PM
To: 'North American Fruit Explorers'
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] more E.coli

Hi Gordon,

Turkeys and chickens roost in trees.

Cider is made from drops.

Don't feel bad, city folk do not know these things, while I have no idea
what alley or part of the city to avoid.

Most city folk would never drink milk again after spending five minutes in a
dairy barn.

Later,
Tom

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[mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Lucky Pittman
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 12:27 PM
To: North American Fruit Explorers
Subject: [NAFEX] more E.coli

At 10:56 AM 12/12/2007, Gordon wrote:

>I, for one, fail to see how cows, turkeys, or even humans defecating 
>in an orchard would damage the fruit unless the fruit was allowed to 
>fall on the ground.  Even then they could be sanatarily washed off 
>so that no danger would exist.

That's the point - dropped apples.  There have been several oubreaks 
of hemorrhagic enterocolitis and HUS due to E.coli O157/H7, traced 
back to unpasteurized apple cider made from or including dropped 
apples that were picked up and pressed without being washed/brushed 
to remove surface contaminants.
I was fairly certain that in at least one of those(I was thinking it 
was a CT outbreak, back in the early '90s), they isolated O157/H7 
from some deer fecal pellets they collected in the orchard - but I 
can't find documentation in a quick Google search.
But, subsequent to those outbreaks, CDC has issued guidelines 
recommending that cider processors wash & brush dropped fruits, and 
some additional work has been done incorporating sodium benzoate into 
the wash/rinse water, as well.

Contaminated, damaged apples can support the growth of E.coli 
O157/H7, and fruit flies can carry it from contaminated wounds to 
uncontaminated wounds.
http://aem.asm.org/cgi/content/full/65/1/1

Lucky

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