Karen,
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 4:39
PM
Subject: Re: [NAFEX] more E.coli
Do you care to tell how you pasteurize?
temperature and length of time or is that a professional
secret? Karen akmanty@scglobal.net
At
06:40 PM 12/12/2007, you wrote:
We are a small batch
facility....400 gallons to the batch. We use do use drops
from time to time. All of our apples are sanitized before packing or
using for cider and we pasteurize our cider, plus wash our sealed room
cider mill with bleach between each batch, so we have no e-coli
issues. Anyone who serves cider to the public and does not use
sanitation procedures is asking for a problem!
Dennis
Norton Royal Oak Farm Orchard http://www.royaloakfarmorchard.com http://www.theorchardkeeper.blogspot.com http://www.revivalhymn.com ----- Original Message
----- From: "Thomas Olenio" <tolenio@sentex.net> To: "'North
American Fruit Explorers'" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org> Sent:
Wednesday, December 12, 2007 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [NAFEX] more
E.coli
> Hello, > > Small batch facilities will
take all comers. They ask no questions and > all > you
need is one contaminated apple to get into production and it effects
> all > batches run that day. The whole facility is NOT
washed between customer > batches. I have been in a number of
them in Ontario. > > Tom > > -----Original
Message----- > From: nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org > [
mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Naomi > Sent:
Wednesday, December 12, 2007 4:05 PM > To: 'North American Fruit
Explorers' > Subject: Re: [NAFEX] more E.coli > > Or a
chicken coop.. ya know which hole the eggs come outta? > > Free
ranging chickens and turkeys can be a self terminating
venture..dogs, > foxes, skunks.. It is better to coop them at night
unless your trees are > really big. > > I thought it was
no longer permitterd to make commercial cider out of > drops. >
Naomi > > -----Original Message----- > From:
nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org > [
mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Thomas
Olenio > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 1:38 PM > To: 'North
American Fruit Explorers' > Subject: Re: [NAFEX] more
E.coli > > Hi Gordon, > > Turkeys and chickens roost
in trees. > > Cider is made from drops. > > Don't
feel bad, city folk do not know these things, while I have no idea >
what alley or part of the city to avoid. > > Most city folk
would never drink milk again after spending five minutes in >
a > dairy barn. > > Later, > Tom > >
-----Original Message----- > From:
nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org > [
mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Lucky
Pittman > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 12:27 PM > To:
North American Fruit Explorers > Subject: [NAFEX] more
E.coli > > At 10:56 AM 12/12/2007, Gordon
wrote: > >>I, for one, fail to see how cows, turkeys, or even
humans defecating >>in an orchard would damage the fruit unless the
fruit was allowed to >>fall on the ground. Even then they
could be sanatarily washed off >>so that no danger would
exist. > > That's the point - dropped apples. There have
been several oubreaks > of hemorrhagic enterocolitis and HUS due to
E.coli O157/H7, traced > back to unpasteurized apple cider made from
or including dropped > apples that were picked up and pressed without
being washed/brushed > to remove surface contaminants. > I was
fairly certain that in at least one of those(I was thinking it > was a
CT outbreak, back in the early '90s), they isolated O157/H7 > from
some deer fecal pellets they collected in the orchard - but I > can't
find documentation in a quick Google search. > But, subsequent to
those outbreaks, CDC has issued guidelines > recommending that cider
processors wash & brush dropped fruits, and > some additional work
has been done incorporating sodium benzoate into > the wash/rinse
water, as well. > > Contaminated, damaged apples can support the
growth of E.coli > O157/H7, and fruit flies can carry it from
contaminated wounds to > uncontaminated wounds. > http://aem.asm.org/cgi/content/full/65/1/1 > >
Lucky > >
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