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  • From: Doug Willhite <drwillhite@earthlink.net>
  • To: livingontheland@lists.ibiblio.org
  • Subject: [Livingontheland] the truth about vegetarianism
  • Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 08:30:48 -0700

Hey Tommy,

I cannot speak for your community, or anyone else here's situation or community. I can only speak for my own immediate family, community, surroundings, and circumstances.

I agree with Paul that consumers in the U.S. eat way too much meat (and way too much of everything, except fruit and veggies, for that matter! :)

But if my neighbors and I all had to become vegans / vegetarians and grow most of our own food on the rugged mountain-desert terrain around here -- (especially in a post-collapse world without having cheap, abundant, reliable fossil fuels for shipping veggies an average of 1500 miles from soil to plate any longer) -- our collective starvation would be a near certainty.

If you made slaves out of everyone around here and built enough cold frames and greenhouses you might be able to avert mass starvation. Otherwise the local, small-scale raising of livestock for meat is by far your best bet!

I don't give a rip what the U.N. or Richard Heinberg might have to say about it... really, I don't. I've known Richard since the 1970's. He's a brilliant and talented man. But there's a vast difference between being "book smart" and being "street smart."

Veganism and vegetarianism are NOT realistic or doable options for folks who are serious about taking responsibility for their own food supply. Not around here. Not where I live. Your kind of talk -- "vegan lifestyles are a survival device" -- is just plain la-la land!

The myth of vegetarianism needs to be dispelled pronto. Vegetarian ideology is currently one of the biggest obstacles to reaching local, community food self-sufficiency.

doug

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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2010 21:49:05 -0500
From: Tommy Tolson <healinghawk@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [Livingontheland] The Truth About Vegetarianism

..... There is no way the US model of meat-eating can continue, and the dairy industry
isn't a lot cleaner, so vegan lifestyles are a survival device, rather
than a choice, until we get our species out of population overshoot
(Earth without cheap oil supports perhaps two billion humans, Richard
Heinberg says) and recalibrate from there.

Smiles.
Tommy

On 6/3/10 4:29 PM, Ken Hargesheimer wrote:


The vegetarian myth is disproved. It is often stated that meat
produces one-fourth to one-tenth the food that using that same
land for a vegetarian diet would produce. That is not the whole
picture. Animals who transform one-fourth of their food into meat
transform three-quarters of their food into manures (high value
fertilizer if properly managed and used) which is transformed into
humus which is transformed into crops for both livestock and
people. Organic agriculture recycles everything and transforms
inert minerals, air, water and sunshine into increased biota
through feeding the microherd a full diet including animal wastes.
There is more life created into existence out of the dead
planetary chemistry than vegetarians are able to account for with
their tired false myth. [Lion Kuntz]

Much of the land in many countries is suitable only for pasture
which can be used only to produce m

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