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Re: [Livingontheland] The Truth About Vegetarianism
- From: Tommy Tolson <healinghawk@earthlink.net>
- To: Healthy soil and sustainable growing <livingontheland@lists.ibiblio.org>
- Subject: Re: [Livingontheland] The Truth About Vegetarianism
- Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2010 02:00:08 -0500
Dan wrote an impressively intelligent post, but I think he misses the
evolutionary point. Humans have overshot our ecosystem's carrying
capacity by a factor of going on four, meaning nearly four out of five
humans now alive are not ecologically supported in a world without
cheap oil, the substance providing the ghost acreage upon which the
unsupported nearly four now live. Those who will say put the figure at
roughly two billion humans that a world without cheap oil will
support. Biodiversity loss is The Problem. Biodiversity is literally what the planetary life support system (Gaia) is composed of, and human actions drive three species per hour into extinction. Peak Oil and global warming, serious as they are, amount to minor irritations compared to biodiversity loss. We can survive Peak Oil by transitioning to carbon negative lifestyles that, in turn, mitigate global warming, but we can not survive the collapse of the planetary life support system. Those who evolve into ecological consciousness will be selected for. Those who don't will perish. If only it were that simple this far into overshoot. Unless we shed a few layers of complexity that we can no longer afford and organize ourselves into ecologically sound human settlement patterns like Transition Towns (www.transitionus.org), focused on securing water, food, and shelter for everyone who survives Peak Oil and climate change, we will be quickly overwhelmed by so many people dying all at once and the pestilence resulting from dead bodies laying everywhere may take out the rest of us. Through organizing Transition Town sorts of settlements now, voluntarily, before nature forces the issue, we may, through tightening our belts while building food production infrastructure that gives back to the land more than it takes, use humane measures to bring our population out of overshoot in a manageable and relatively trauma-free manner, leaving a future worth living to our children. Otherwise, we're probably extinct. If we simply keep doing what we're doing, extinction is assured. Nature does not tend to forgive species for violating her laws long enough for her to become aware of it. Who's willing to get in the position of needing to be the first species to be forgiven? Shouldn't we avoid that, since we know it lies ahead, and how to avoid it? There's still time, if we go for it now. For the first time, perhaps ever, self interest now coincides with the greater good. Those of us who get it have the tough task of being "our brother's keeper" if any humans are to make it out of this century. Smiles. Tommy On 6/4/10 1:07 PM, Dan Conine wrote: 4C0940E5.6080908@bertramwireless.com" type="cite">I've heard that statement a lot, and tried to understand how it can be reconciled with the state of things. We can't have it both ways. Either the imagination (including all that we regard as 'human civilization and reason') is part of nature's needs, or it is not. If it is a beneficial part of the natural world, then it will survive somehow. If it destroys the natural world that spawned it, then that will be the end of even the possibility of our re-populating the earth with 'kinder, gentler' people. |
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Re: [Livingontheland] The Truth About Vegetarianism
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- Re: [Livingontheland] The Truth About Vegetarianism, Tommy Tolson, 06/04/2010
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[Livingontheland] the truth about vegetarianism,
Doug Willhite, 06/04/2010
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Tommy Tolson, 06/04/2010
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pbunch, 06/05/2010
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pbunch, 06/06/2010
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Ken Hargesheimer, 06/06/2010
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Ken Hargesheimer, 06/06/2010
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pbunch, 06/06/2010
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John D'hondt, 06/05/2010
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pbunch, 06/05/2010
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Re: [Livingontheland] the truth about vegetarianism,
Tommy Tolson, 06/04/2010
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Re: [Livingontheland] The Truth About Vegetarianism,
Dan Conine, 06/04/2010
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Dieter Brand, 06/05/2010
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John D'hondt, 06/05/2010
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pbunch, 06/06/2010
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Tommy Tolson, 06/06/2010
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Re: [Livingontheland] The Truth About Vegetarianism,
Tommy Tolson, 06/06/2010
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pbunch, 06/06/2010
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Re: [Livingontheland] The Truth About Vegetarianism,
John D'hondt, 06/05/2010
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