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["Lynda" <lurine AT com-pair.net>]

Where did you get your info on the Exxon Valdez?  the studies paid for by 
Exxon?  They wouldn't be accurate.

They are still, two decades later, doing clean-up from that spill.  There 
are still about 16,000 gallons of oil that are in pockets.  Only 9 species 
are listed as "fully recovered."  7 species are listed as "recovering (sea 
otters, killer whales, clams, mussels, harlequin ducks, Barrows goldeneyes, 
black oystercatchers).  Pacific herring are listed as "not recovering."  And 
they are still not sure if the murrelets, cutthroat trout and rock fish are 
making any recovery.

BTW, those "generations" would be in wildlife years, not human generations. 
And while the otters are listed as "recovering," they still don't know for 
sure because even "generations" later, they are suffering from lung, liver 
and reproductive problems caused by the spill.

There is "documented lingering damages" as far away as 450 miles.

And ya might want to tell the fishermen, who were royally screwed over by 
Exxon and a whole lot of whom ended up bankrupt, about how pristine 
everything is and how you feel the Exxon Valdez incident was no big deal.

Lynda
--"I'm fascinated by the hard line you're drawing over religion -- It gets
used too much, as an excuse, a fall guy, a weapon, a con.  A lot of people,
maybe most, don't mean it except when it suits them."  Dallas
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <rayzentz AT aim.com>
> OK. I think it is time to put in a couple cents worth. How many of you 
> remember the Exxon Valdiz?  You know, the oil tanker that leaked... 
> badly... up in Alaska?  Do you also remember how the environmentalists 
> bewailed the fate of the bay... how life would be affected for decades, 
> how the pollution from the oil would be a wildlife disaster for 
> generations to come?
>
> Turns out not to be the case. It's actually pretty much back to where it 
> was... pristine. Wildlife is there, living nicely...
>
> The earth is pretty darn good at cleaning itself up.
>
> Now, this isn't to say we can't do a better job of stewardship. We can, 
> and should. However, when Mount Pinotubo (sic) spews forth more greenhouse 
> gases in a single eruption than mankind has in his entire history, when 
> Mars shows recent evidence of global warming (for which my SUV certainly 
> shares no responsibility), I begin to seriously think that this huge 
> system in which we live, the earth, is far more capable of regulating 
> itself than our petty little efforts can effect, one way or the other.
>
>
>
> Dr. Raymond Zentz
>
> It is better to die a free man, than to live, a slave.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gerald Brittell <gabrittell AT gmail.com>
> To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Sent: Sat, Nov 28, 2009 12:26 pm
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] Climate-Gate
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 10:38 AM, Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com> wrote:
> > I too have searched for it unsuccessfully.  My mom saw it on a Public
> TV type program, and I heard mention of it on a radio show (that is not
> biased towards one party or the other, and is often exposes both main
> party's nonsense.)
>
> Meanwhile,  here's another absurdity to ponder...Is Carbon Dioxide
> Pollution?
> "Let’s take Barack Obama’s absurd assertion, that carbon dioxide is a
> dangerous pollutant, one step further. By using Obama’s "logic," life 
> itself
> is built upon pollution. It makes me wonder, once again, if our new
> President is smarter than a fifth grader. For if one is familiar with
> photosynthesis– and most fifth graders are – it is a process of converting
> light energy to chemical energy and storing it in the bonds of sugar. 
> Plants
> only need light energy, carbon dioxide and water to make the 
> aforementioned
> sugar. Photosynthesis, which cannot take place without carbon dioxide,
> occurs in plants (and a few bacteria) and is responsible for feeding 
> nearly
> all life on Earth. But let’s not stop there. Another vital function
> photosynthesis performs pertains to generating the very oxygen which
> oxygen-breathing animals require for survival. So let’s get this straight
> Mr. Obama, you believe the life-giving process of photosynthesis is built
> upon
>  pollution? If this is your firm conviction, then you have left me
> wondering if enough oxygen is making it to your brain. Yet what I do know
> now is that the gospel, according to Barack Obama, avows that life itself 
> is
> dependent upon pollution. How utterly surreal."
>
> http://www.hyperinflation.net/essays/englund56.html
>
> Obama wants to reduce CO2 by 1/6th over the next 10 years.  Hmmmm  Might
> have to construct a still next to the garden in order to make sure the
> veggies get enough CO2 to produce food for me to eat.
>
> And you don't think it important to consider that as much benefit a 
> certain
> ritical, optimal amount of carbon dioxide is to life on earth, as has been
> aintained now for many thousands of years, can quickly be exceeded, too
> uch of a good thing becoming deleterious?  There has occured several times
> n ancient earth history, when this level in the atmosphere has been
> xceeded, leading to almost total extinction of all species, though never 
> as
> uickly as has burning all these hydrocarbons has done the past one hundred
> ears.  I think you best be sure you know what you are talking about before
> ou wage such a polarizing, emotional campaign. There is something of
> reater moment at hand than any tea party, dear soul.
> Even the massive and sudden growth of plant life that is now occurring in
> any areas, particularly in the northern hemisphere,cannot be seen without
> larm, knowing well the process of desertification. Drained, nutriment
> epleted soils can produce only so much vegetation.  Now is in fact a good
> ime to harvest and store the bounty brought on by the present high CO2
> evels.  When the changing climate brings the floods, droughts, fires,
> nsects and disease, along with the great social and political disruptions
> nd displacements, and the plants no longer can support their extreme
> rowth, look out humanity.
> he shjift comes almost overnight, earth clock time, in some places earlier
> han others.
> The lands surrounding much of the dry country you and others on this list
> ive upon was not so very long ago covered with verdant vegetation and
> auna. Consider now the soils and vegetation. Dig a little deeper and pump
> p the oil and dig the coal the massive decaying cover created.  Continue
> ow burning it and spreading it's products on the lands, air and water,
> urther eliminating the miraculous bioorganisms in the soils, and see how
> oon the rest of these verdant green fields and forests stand.
> No Leslie, I think Obama has some pretty knowledgable persons in his 
> cabinet
> nd as advisors who are onto the CO2 'problem' a little deeper than this,
> nd are aware of what is occuring.  Whether he will listen and act, or can,
> emains to be seen. The measures that truly need be taken, I am certain
> yself, are way too miniscule to avoid what is already roaring down the 
> pike
> ade from our past chocies. Just enough is proffered to make it appear that
> omething is being done.  Look at all the Oil Company ads glorifing their
> onderful 'Green' measures. Nothing but propaganda to prevent their spigots
> rom being turned off before they can drill, dig and market as much as they
> an before their inevitable doom falls as it will.   Too bad, since there
> re other good uses to be made of their products other than burning it.
> True CO2, and Oxygen both are verv vital substances,  you have that right,
> n the rright amount.  Either can kill instantly with too much or little.
> lose up a car in a garage and run it a few minutes and observe what
> appens.   No, don't please.  How anyone can overlook such simple, obvious
> acts using such illogic is unfortuate, I think.  However things have a way
> f balancing out, even without our conscious influence and will.  Pray it
> ill happen in time while there is still life left on earth.  Better yet, 
> do
> hat we know and do to see as many as possible survive what obviously is
> pon us. jerry
>
> >
>
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