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  • From: "Lynda" <lurine AT com-pair.net>
  • To: <homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [Homestead] Climate-Gate
  • Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 22:58:35 -0800

Where did you get your info on the Exxon Valdez? the studies paid for by Exxon? They wouldn't be accurate.

They are still, two decades later, doing clean-up from that spill. There are still about 16,000 gallons of oil that are in pockets. Only 9 species are listed as "fully recovered." 7 species are listed as "recovering (sea otters, killer whales, clams, mussels, harlequin ducks, Barrows goldeneyes, black oystercatchers). Pacific herring are listed as "not recovering." And they are still not sure if the murrelets, cutthroat trout and rock fish are making any recovery.

BTW, those "generations" would be in wildlife years, not human generations. And while the otters are listed as "recovering," they still don't know for sure because even "generations" later, they are suffering from lung, liver and reproductive problems caused by the spill.

There is "documented lingering damages" as far away as 450 miles.

And ya might want to tell the fishermen, who were royally screwed over by Exxon and a whole lot of whom ended up bankrupt, about how pristine everything is and how you feel the Exxon Valdez incident was no big deal.

Lynda
--"I'm fascinated by the hard line you're drawing over religion -- It gets
used too much, as an excuse, a fall guy, a weapon, a con. A lot of people,
maybe most, don't mean it except when it suits them." Dallas
----- Original Message ----- From: <rayzentz AT aim.com>

OK. I think it is time to put in a couple cents worth. How many of you remember the Exxon Valdiz? You know, the oil tanker that leaked... badly... up in Alaska? Do you also remember how the environmentalists bewailed the fate of the bay... how life would be affected for decades, how the pollution from the oil would be a wildlife disaster for generations to come?

Turns out not to be the case. It's actually pretty much back to where it was... pristine. Wildlife is there, living nicely...

The earth is pretty darn good at cleaning itself up.

Now, this isn't to say we can't do a better job of stewardship. We can, and should. However, when Mount Pinotubo (sic) spews forth more greenhouse gases in a single eruption than mankind has in his entire history, when Mars shows recent evidence of global warming (for which my SUV certainly shares no responsibility), I begin to seriously think that this huge system in which we live, the earth, is far more capable of regulating itself than our petty little efforts can effect, one way or the other.



Dr. Raymond Zentz

It is better to die a free man, than to live, a slave.



-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Brittell <gabrittell AT gmail.com>
To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Sat, Nov 28, 2009 12:26 pm
Subject: Re: [Homestead] Climate-Gate


On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 10:38 AM, Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com> wrote:
I too have searched for it unsuccessfully. My mom saw it on a Public
TV type program, and I heard mention of it on a radio show (that is not
biased towards one party or the other, and is often exposes both main
party's nonsense.)

Meanwhile, here's another absurdity to ponder...Is Carbon Dioxide
Pollution?
"Let’s take Barack Obama’s absurd assertion, that carbon dioxide is a
dangerous pollutant, one step further. By using Obama’s "logic," life itself
is built upon pollution. It makes me wonder, once again, if our new
President is smarter than a fifth grader. For if one is familiar with
photosynthesis– and most fifth graders are – it is a process of converting
light energy to chemical energy and storing it in the bonds of sugar. Plants
only need light energy, carbon dioxide and water to make the aforementioned
sugar. Photosynthesis, which cannot take place without carbon dioxide,
occurs in plants (and a few bacteria) and is responsible for feeding nearly
all life on Earth. But let’s not stop there. Another vital function
photosynthesis performs pertains to generating the very oxygen which
oxygen-breathing animals require for survival. So let’s get this straight
Mr. Obama, you believe the life-giving process of photosynthesis is built
upon
pollution? If this is your firm conviction, then you have left me
wondering if enough oxygen is making it to your brain. Yet what I do know
now is that the gospel, according to Barack Obama, avows that life itself is
dependent upon pollution. How utterly surreal."

http://www.hyperinflation.net/essays/englund56.html

Obama wants to reduce CO2 by 1/6th over the next 10 years. Hmmmm Might
have to construct a still next to the garden in order to make sure the
veggies get enough CO2 to produce food for me to eat.

And you don't think it important to consider that as much benefit a certain
ritical, optimal amount of carbon dioxide is to life on earth, as has been
aintained now for many thousands of years, can quickly be exceeded, too
uch of a good thing becoming deleterious? There has occured several times
n ancient earth history, when this level in the atmosphere has been
xceeded, leading to almost total extinction of all species, though never as
uickly as has burning all these hydrocarbons has done the past one hundred
ears. I think you best be sure you know what you are talking about before
ou wage such a polarizing, emotional campaign. There is something of
reater moment at hand than any tea party, dear soul.
Even the massive and sudden growth of plant life that is now occurring in
any areas, particularly in the northern hemisphere,cannot be seen without
larm, knowing well the process of desertification. Drained, nutriment
epleted soils can produce only so much vegetation. Now is in fact a good
ime to harvest and store the bounty brought on by the present high CO2
evels. When the changing climate brings the floods, droughts, fires,
nsects and disease, along with the great social and political disruptions
nd displacements, and the plants no longer can support their extreme
rowth, look out humanity.
he shjift comes almost overnight, earth clock time, in some places earlier
han others.
The lands surrounding much of the dry country you and others on this list
ive upon was not so very long ago covered with verdant vegetation and
auna. Consider now the soils and vegetation. Dig a little deeper and pump
p the oil and dig the coal the massive decaying cover created. Continue
ow burning it and spreading it's products on the lands, air and water,
urther eliminating the miraculous bioorganisms in the soils, and see how
oon the rest of these verdant green fields and forests stand.
No Leslie, I think Obama has some pretty knowledgable persons in his cabinet
nd as advisors who are onto the CO2 'problem' a little deeper than this,
nd are aware of what is occuring. Whether he will listen and act, or can,
emains to be seen. The measures that truly need be taken, I am certain
yself, are way too miniscule to avoid what is already roaring down the pike
ade from our past chocies. Just enough is proffered to make it appear that
omething is being done. Look at all the Oil Company ads glorifing their
onderful 'Green' measures. Nothing but propaganda to prevent their spigots
rom being turned off before they can drill, dig and market as much as they
an before their inevitable doom falls as it will. Too bad, since there
re other good uses to be made of their products other than burning it.
True CO2, and Oxygen both are verv vital substances, you have that right,
n the rright amount. Either can kill instantly with too much or little.
lose up a car in a garage and run it a few minutes and observe what
appens. No, don't please. How anyone can overlook such simple, obvious
acts using such illogic is unfortuate, I think. However things have a way
f balancing out, even without our conscious influence and will. Pray it
ill happen in time while there is still life left on earth. Better yet, do
hat we know and do to see as many as possible survive what obviously is
pon us. jerry



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