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["Lynda" <lurine AT softcom.net>]

130 times in Illinois, 228 in the Senate.  Votes present or no vote.  He 
only voted against the party line 4% of the time.  HOWEVER, when you add 
back in those 228 times he didn't vote at all (present or no vote), then he 
bucked the party line way less than 1% of the time.

McCain, on the other hand, contrary to the "he voted 90% of the time with 
Bush" line that is out there, voted against the party line 19% of the time 
and that counts total voting including the present and no votes.

BTW, I know that it is confusing but a no vote is not voting no <g>

Lynda
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From: <dsanner106 AT aol.com>


> I think he is a politician, I think the Dems picked him because they want 
> someone with little or no
> juice that will do what the Dems in power say (Pelosi, Reid, others). 
> There were plenty of strong Black candidates if that is what they wanted, 
> (ford in Tenn. et al.) but they would probably not take orders. My living 
> in Illinois and owning our farm there leads me to distrust anyone created 
> by the Chicago Machine. I do not think he believes the rhetoric, but he 
> will say what is necessary to get elected, as most politicians. Obama has 
> no leadership experience. He has never created a job, hired or fired 
> people. He was even unable to make up his mind on important issues and 
> voted present how many times??? 140, 150?? We are supposed to trust 
> someone with the entire nation, our military, our budget, our lives when 
> he is that indecisive?? Some say he voted present to protect his image for 
> future elections (president) so he could not be pinned down. That is even 
> worse. Hard working people voted for this guy. His job was to represent 
> them and put in a vote on their behalf. By voting
>
> "Present" he was taking their money and not doing his job. Do you think if 
> I am just present at work, I will still get a paycheck??? Not for long. As 
> an independant, I just don't buy the hype about this particular guy. I 
> WOULD vote for Ford I think, There are a bunch of Dems and Rep.s I would 
> feel good voting for, but Obama?? What substance is there to him? I was 
> also looking forward to an election where both candidates followed the 
> election guidelines, took the public funds and ran an apples to apples 
> campaign. Obama broke his pledge and is taking money from everywhere, 
> legal or not. I just don't see anything but a flashy speaker when I watch 
> him, and as a speech and debater from way back, I know this skill is just 
> the ability to lie with a straight face and be believable. He is good, 
> really good when it comes to speaking.
>
> Drew
>
>
> That is comfortingly simplistic. I see Obama as far more insightful
> than that.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gene GeRue <genegerue AT ruralize.com>
> To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Sent: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 12:22 pm
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] Electricity prices going up (fake?)
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>
> On Nov 3, 2008, at 10:11 AM, Clansgian AT wmconnect.com wrote:
>
> > I earnestly believe that Obama buys his own schtick.  He really
> > thinks, like
> > Mugabe did, that if we didn't spend all those billions in Iraq, it
> > wasn't made
> > as profit by oil companies, it wasn't given as bonuses to Wall
> > Street CEOs,
> > we could just divide that much money up by the number of "poor" and
> > we'd all
> > have a bundle.
>
> That is comfortingly simplistic. I see Obama as far more insightful
> than that.
>
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