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Sage, I sincerely hope that you and Gene are right, and that your "guts" have 
more intelligence than my intellect. I fear, however, that they do not.



It has been my experience, and part of my education (PS, I know ;-)), that 
those who make choices based on their "guts" ( I translate this as emotions) 
almost always suffer in the end. There are very few exceptions to this, in my 
experience.

I guess we will wait and see.?In the meantime, I am preparing for the loss of 
constitutional freedoms on a grand scale, which will be far worse than 
anything that has happened under Bush. I am already seeing huge abuses 
regarding the right to speech. I really fear for my children with what I see 
coming.

Let me pass this on to you.?? A friend sent this to me. Since there are no 
attachments, I include the text here...



"It's all about the Ice Cream"

The most eye-opening civics lesson I ever had was while teaching third
grade in 2000. The presidential election was heating up and some of
the children showed an interest. I decided we would have an election
for a class president. We would choose our nominees. They would make
a campaign speech and the class would vote.

To simplify the process, candidates were nominated by other
class members. We discussed what kinds of characteristics these
students should have. We got many nominations and from those, Jamie
and Olivia were picked to run for the top spot.

The class had done a great job in their selections. Both candidates were good 
kids. I thought Jamie might have an advantage
because he got lots of parental support. I had never seen Olivia's
mother. The day arrived when they were to make their speeches and?
Jamie went first. He had specific ideas about how to make our class a
better place. He ended by promising to do his very best.?
Everyone applauded. He sat down and Olivia came to the podium.?

Her speech was concise. 

She said, "If you will vote for me, I will give you ice cream


She sat down. The class went wild. "Yes! Yes! We want ice cream."

She surely could say more. She did not have to.?A discussion followed. How 
did she plan to pay for the ice cream??She wasn't sure. Would her parents buy 
it or would the class pay for it? She didn't know. The class really didn't 
care. All they were thinking about?was ice cream. Jamie was forgotten. Olivia 
won by a landslide.

Every time Barack Obama opens his mouth he offers ice cream, and?
fifty percent of America reacts like nine-year olds. They want ice cream.


The other fifty percent know they're going to have to feed the cow.



Ray


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Sent: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 2:19 pm
Subject: Re: [Homestead] Gene, Sell me on Obama, please




I feel the same as Gene. I would like to add:

This is the first time I've ever felt inspired by a 
candidate to get involved in the political process beyond 
just casting my vote. I volunteered as an Obama precinct 
captain in a very red area, and was a delegate to my state 
convention. I think the only way a government "by the 
people" will ever happen is when the populace feels 
inspired to actually get involved. I like that he is 
capable of communicating with and embraces the latest 
technology. Biden as his VP is a sound choice. No doubt he 
will surround himself with other good choices. They both 
have stellar educational backgrounds. They could've 
brought up a lot of negative stuff on McCain, but chose 
not to, and even point out the good qualities of their 
opponents when possible. The world at large seems to 
prefer Obama, as they see the same qualities we do.

I recently read an article about how the terrorists prefer 
(actually endorsed) McCain, because a warmonger president 
will help them continue to recruit suicide bombers. McCain 
has an unfinished battle inside of him that's just waiting 
to eat more of our tax dollars. He is a smug little jerk.

BTW: Don't assume I'm a dyed in the wool Democrat: I have 
voted for every president that's been in office since I 
was old enough to vote EXCEPT George W.

--Sage
Way Out in Texas



  





On Mon, 3 Nov 2008 13:27:58 -0700
  Gene GeRue <genegerue AT ruralize.com> wrote:
> 
> On Nov 3, 2008, at 11:10 AM, DSanner106 AT aol.com wrote:
> 
>> Gene, I really do want to hear why you are so strongly 
>>in his camp,  
>> I wish I had confidence in either candidate. I don't 
>>want to hear  
>> about George Bush, he is gone. Just tell me why Obama is 
>>the best  
>> man for the job, or even the best democrat. You say he 
>>is  
>> insightful, I may be missing something. He was unaware 
>>that one of  
>> his favorite Aunts written about in his biography has 
>>been liviing  
>> in the US illegally for 4 years???He didn't know what 
>>his preacher  
>> had been saying from the pulpit for 20 years. I just 
>>don't see  
>> insightful there. Believe me, I am not a McCain 
>>supporter either, I  
>> just want to hear some sort of proof that Obama, who I 
>>see winning  
>> this election, has the experience to pull this off.
> 
> Drew, I am not sure your mind is open on this, but I 
>will take the  
> time to respond anyway.
> 
> I like Obama's history. He has done outstandingly well 
>given his  
> beginnings. I like his focus and persistence. I like his 
>family  
> values, his commitment as a husband and a father. I like 
>his long and  
> strong attempt to raise the level of presidential 
>campaign dialogue.  
> He stayed on message, stated his observations and his 
>plans. He  
> retained his dignity. He responded to low-level crap 
>when it was  
> necessary but he showed himself to be in control. That 
>is what our  
> country needs, someone we can respect and look to for 
>real leadership,  
> and someone the rest of the world will respond to in a 
>positive way,  
> which will accrue great benefit to our country.
> 
> Experience and capability? He has run the best 
>presidential campaign I  
> have seen, a superior, sustained effort over two years, 
>almost nonstop  
> effort. Yes, absolutely, he has done those things 
>necessary to win. I  
> have covered this subject before.
> 
> He attracts and chooses good advisors. I find him to be 
>pragmatic and  
> open to sound advice before making decisions. I find his 
>decision- 
> making ability superior to his opponent. Yes, his plans 
>and good  
> intentions will often be thwarted by economic and 
>political realities.
> 
>Finally, and as always in important decisions, I trust my 
>gut  
> feelings. My gut told me Bush was bad news. My gut as 
>well as my brain  
> told me that Iraq was a horrible mistake. My gut today 
>tells me that  
> Obama will help us to regain our high level of pride in 
>being Americans.
> 
> My gut tells me Barack Obama has the potential to be a 
>great president.
> 
> 
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