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[bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>]

James, if gene did as I did, he didn't fall for a dealer ploy.  According to 
the dealer, my offer was more than $3000 under 'cost'.  That is why they 
wouldn't even deal from the salesmen or salesmanagers, at first.  I found out 
the true 'cost', from Consumer Reports on my exact car with VIN number. 

That is the reason I know they made $150 profit.  I knew before I walked in 
the dealership. I 'know what the delears (or paper investor, if you please) 
had to ultimately pay, including back-end reversal from maufacture (which, in 
Honda, is very little, American cars it can be much more).

  I would imagine that is what Gene did , also.  Consumer reports charges for 
this service, and it is well worth the money ....bobford


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--- On Mon, 11/3/08, Clansgian AT wmconnect.com <Clansgian AT wmconnect.com> wrote:


> 
> Sorry you find it a smart-ass observation, but I find it no
> end of amusing  that you got taken in by the old $500 over dealer cost
> ploy.
>