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[bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>]

That is a great post bev, and when I said "wait" until Wed. am, I wasn't 
referring to your letter writing to your rep, I was speaking generically that 
in several days we will know how close the decision ended.

  I am not a great believer in large groups of people being able to put 
together intricately designed conspiracies, myself.  But, much of what you 
wrote is happening or has happened , before. 

 If Obama is elected, and it appears that the election was Constitutional, I 
will refer to him as President (or not, to save typing). Obama, just as I 
refer to the current bungler as President Bush, and referred to his nefarious 
predecessor as President Clinton.  I don't have to like it; but as long as 
what they do is Constitutional , I do have to live with it.  

Now, if they start to ignore the Constitution even more overtly than what 
they now do,  all bets are off .......bobford



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--- On Fri, 10/31/08, EarthNSky <erthnsky AT bellsouth.net> wrote:

> From: EarthNSky <erthnsky AT bellsouth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] Stealing an Election-Big Picture
> To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Date: Friday, October 31, 2008, 10:06 AM
> This is a lay it on the line post.  As many of you know, I
> do believe
> that there are People Out There, call them whatever you
> want, that pull
> the strings and make things happen on a large scale.  I
> think the
> chapter outlined below could set up global or at least
> regional
> consolidation of power for those people.
> 
> bob ford wrote:
> > Bev, hoping this is just a drill, not the real thing,
> and who plans 
> > to write a letter to her representative outlining
> these concerns, in 
> > hopes that no one, Republican or Democrat, is ever
> able to do that.
> 
> > Bev, wait until nezxt wed. am .  Hpefully this will be
> clear cut, one
> >  way or the other.
> 
> I'll admit that this election has really affected me,
> but this coup idea
> is not new.  Back in the 90's when I first got online,
> people were
> afraid Clinton would become a dictator through all of his
> executive
> orders...then it was Bush's turn to become the Evil
> King To Be..one of
> the reason's Hillary lost, as you know, is this
> lingering fear of
> Clinton dictatorship/Legacy.  And like Lynn pointed out, as
> unpopular as
> Bush was, there was no impeachment there, so impeachment
> seems to be
> more of a political tool of embarrassment than a way of
> removing a
> president from office.  There seems to be no recourse when
> a President
> is 'bad' and when the Senate refuses to impeach.
> So, in this election, or the next one, or the next one, or
> any election,
> really, a few people really could hijack the process while
> we dick
> around arguing about whether picture ID's
> disenfranchises voters or
> whether felons should vote or whether electronic voting is
> rigged or
> whether candidates can take 'laundered' money via
> gift cards, etc. etc...
> I really only use Obama as an example cuz he is the
> President du
> Jour<sp> and the current Democrats fill the
> conspiracy roles nicely.
> But think about it...What if..Pelosi, Frank, Reid, and
> maybe a few other
> top left leaning Democrats cooked up this scheme to elect a
> very liberal
>   President who would transform America into some Super
> Democracy of
> their own warped thinking(I do believe that there are
> people out there,
> both left and right of center, who truly believe that
> America would be
> greater if...whatever..they may not have evil intentions at
> all, but
> they do have the intent to drastically and radically change
> this
> country.)  So, the Democratic Cabal rework the plan, the
> Leftist Plan
> for America that has been tabled since the 60's,
> waiting for the day
> when Democrats controlled everything and then...In walks
> Obama, an IL
> State Senator, who is a poster child for American symbolism
> and
> history..biracial, single parent, moved around...yada yada,
> AND who is
> very left leaning, so left that the NP has endorsed him. 
> He is perfect
> for the part.
> Suddenly, he has a speaking gig at a convention, and
> despite him saying
> one day that he was not ready to be president, starts a
> campaign to do
> just that a year later.  With help from the upper eschelons
> of the Left
> Cabal of the Democratic party, he was groomed...
> Meanwhile, The Wicked Witch and her henchmen start cooking
> the books
> with Fannie and Freddie and the gang and setting the table
> so that
> America would bow down and welcome anyone who represented
> Change, and we
> would be so desperate for that that we would overlook any
> potential
> pitfall the candidate has. Money would be spend to put Dems
> in the House
> and Senate.  Media would be bought and paid for, Bush digs
> his own grave
> and recall that Pelosi refused to lead the charge call for
> impeachment,
> just allowing the sore to fester, McCain and the rest of
> the Republicans
> can't find any unity and of course have to fight
> Bush's image, etc. etc.
> Republicanism is allowed to become a festering cancre in
> the minds of
> the public.
> To make sure things go the right way and to provide an
> excellent
> distraction, two things are done...the economy is
> intentionally tanked
> to make people desperate and give the candidate a talking
> point to
> distract from his past/associations, etc., AND groups like
> ACORN and
> other minions of the Party encourage fraud in registration
> and voting-
> the ground game, which has enough distance from the
> candidate that he
> cannot be held liable for their actions.
> So..Obama wins the election in a close-fought battle, close
> enough that
> a stink is made about fraud and there are multiple
> investigations across
> many states.  Of course, no one holds Obama personally
> liable, but let's
> say they find he won due to fraud in several states and
> through the
> electoral process, was wrongly made president. Due to
> apathy, his
> popularity, and the fact that he has only been in office
> less than a
> year, he is given a pass, so to speak, and all is well,
> because by then,
> people will be getting their first checks from the
> administration,
> ..stimulus checks, tax rebates, or whatever it happens to
> be, the people
> will see Change in their pockets and be quiet.
> Over the next year, however, the tide begins to turn, and
> for whatever
> reason, he begins to loose popular support.  Congress is
> pushing
> legislation through, disenfranchising Republicans, who
> start complaining
> in their medium, talk radio and certain news outlets. To
> thwart this,
> the Fairness Doctrine is reinstated by the Cabal, and
> suddenly,
> freedom of speech is gone.  Suddenly, groups like
> Homestead, where
> freedom of thought and freedom of speech are encouraged,
> are shut down.
>   People demonstate and there are clashes between
> demonstrators.  Joe the
> Assassin takes a shot at Obama or Pelosi or Biden, and
> suddenly, there is Marshall Law and weapons are
> confiscated.  Chaos
> ensues.  The few remaining Republicans call for calm and
> impeachment,
> but the Senate won't do it, and Elections for 2012 are
> canceled.  Then,
> Obama becomes a dictator, maybe even a benevolent dictator,
> but the
> point is that the process, the magic of this country, is
> gone.
> 
> That is some scenario, huh?
> Yes, it is fiction, but it would not be difficult for a few
> people to
> manipulate the country like that.  I picked on Obama
> because, as you all
> know, I am not under the Obama spell, but the coup could
> just as easily
> have been made by the Righteous Right Republicans or some
> group that
> doesn't even exist right now.
> 
> I just think we need a few more checks and balances in the
> way we elect
> our President, who is typically considered the Leader of
> the Free World.
> The current process seems to be too easily manipulated, and
> it would be
> child's play for the Powers That Be, who may have
> already tested the
> waters in past two elections in preparation for this one or
> the next one....
> I don't see any reason to wait until after the election
> to write.  For
> all I know, some group somewhere has already got the wheels
> in motion,
> or maybe McCain wins then dies, and President Palin is the
> one who
> becomes a dictator, after all, she *is* the one guilty of
> abuse of power...
> So, I dunno.  We have a lot of holes to plug or this
> ship's going
> down. The only stopgap I see to a scenario like this is the
> military
> staging it's own coup on the Leadership.
> 
> Bev
> 
> -- 
> “Fear is the path to the Dark Side. Fear leads to anger.
> Anger leads to
> hate. Hate leads to suffering.”        Yoda
> 
> 
> 
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