Homestead mailing list

[Gene GeRue <genegerue AT ruralize.com>]

On Oct 28, 2008, at 12:22 PM, EarthNSky wrote:

> Gene GeRue wrote:
>
> > As you have found a source, please give us the numbers of troops sent
> > compared to the number of Americans sent.
>
> It is irrelevant.
> You said we stood alone, I said we did not.  I gave our partners.  
> Their
> contributions, whether in troops, training, money, or support in other
> ways(such as housing refugees) will vary and are irrelevant to the  
> argument.

Tell that to the families of the American men and women who have been  
killed or maimed and tell that to the American taxpayers'  
grandchildren who will pay the bill.
> Iran is/was anything but depleted.  The Iran/Iraq war had been over  
> for
> many years.

"Despite several calls for a ceasefire by the United Nations Security  
Council, hostilities continued until 20 August1988. The last prisoners  
of war were exchanged in 2003.[8][9]

"The war is noted for several things. It was of great cost in lives  
and economic damage - a half a million Iraqi and Iranian soldiers as  
well as civilians are believed to have died in the war with many more  
injured and wounded - but brought neither reparations nor change in  
borders. . . .

"The war was extremely costly in lives and material, one of the  
deadliest wars since World War II (see list of wars and disasters by  
death toll). Both countries were devastated by the war's effect. It  
cost Iran an estimated 1 million casualties, killed or wounded, and  
Iranians continue to suffer and die as a consequence of Iraq's use of  
chemical weapons. Iraqi casualties are estimated at 250,000-500,000  
killed or wounded. Thousands of Civilians died on both sides from air  
raids and missiles.[40]
"The financial loss was also heavy, at that time exceeding US$500  
billion for each (US$1.2 trillion in total), but shortly after it  
turned out that the economic cost of war is more profound and long- 
lasting than estimated right after war. Economic development was  
stalled and oil exports disrupted. Iraq was left with serious debts to  
its former Arab backers, including US$14 billion loaned by Kuwait, a  
debt which contributed to Saddam's 1990 decision to invade.
"Much of the oil industry in both countries was damaged in air raids.  
Iran's production capacity has yet to fully recover from the damages  
of the war. 10 million shells had landed in Iraq's oil fields at  
Basra, seriously damaging Iraq's oil production. Prisoners taken by  
both sides were not released until more than 10 years after the end of  
the conflict. Cities on both sides had also taken considerable damage."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_iraq_war
> From bobford79 AT yahoo.com  Tue Oct 28 15:39:13 2008
Return-Path: <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
X-Original-To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
Delivered-To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
Received: by lists.ibiblio.org (Postfix, from userid 3002)
        id 4B8464C015; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 15:39:13 -0400 (EDT)
X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on malecky
X-Spam-Level: 
X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=disabled
        version=3.2.3
Received: from web53901.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web53901.mail.re2.yahoo.com
        [206.190.36.211])
        by lists.ibiblio.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C73434C011
        for <homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org>; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 15:39:12 -0400 
(EDT)
Received: (qmail 85109 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Oct 2008 19:39:12 -0000
X-YMail-OSG: 
eXe9q28VM1mSSyv4GAbwvfEQzz_SCvRICWqCMe01s4OsqCjPFTrt80k0mkerpODq_hHciBdtTvbxA6eAzyCbgH0o.wkVhwGLi2bV.EUzSxJSoRlajewiyq_sc3y.Xazpnofr7ilKy6YaTN9ZfBKfYlhlMgYxp1ece1f0jz0vatIiPidcPafp8TxNFe0-
Received: from [68.227.240.219] by web53901.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP;
        Tue, 28 Oct 2008 12:39:11 PDT
X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.247.3
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 12:39:11 -0700 (PDT)
From: bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
In-Reply-To: <81597000-B67A-471A-BB6D-18B469E1E359 AT ruralize.com>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Message-ID: <246965.85048.qm AT web53901.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Homestead] Upcoming - under Dem/Obama reign  - wsj
X-BeenThere: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9
Precedence: list
Reply-To: bobford79 AT yahoo.com, homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
List-Id: <homestead.lists.ibiblio.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/homestead>,
        <mailto:homestead-request AT lists.ibiblio.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://lists.ibiblio.org/sympa/arc/homestead>
List-Post: <mailto:homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org>
List-Help: <mailto:sympa AT lists.ibiblio.org?subject=HELP>
List-Subscribe: <http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/homestead>,
        <mailto:homestead-request AT lists.ibiblio.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 19:39:13 -0000

The entire war in Iraq has cost about the same as the recent bail-out. The War estimated at 1 trillion, the combined bailout cost, already at least, more than one trillion. As for price; the d*mn war was a better deal.  

And, people will die and people will become sick as the financial 
skullduggery unwinds -- just not as apparent as in war.  They were equally 
wrong and equally not driven by the constitution ......bobf

-------------------------------------------------------------------------


--- On Tue, 10/28/08, Gene GeRue <genegerue AT ruralize.com> wrote:

> From: Gene GeRue <genegerue AT ruralize.com>
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] Upcoming - under Dem/Obama reign  - wsj
> To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 1:27 PM
> On Oct 28, 2008, at 12:18 PM, Lynn Wigglesworth wrote:
>
> >
> > Gene GeRue wrote:
> >
> >> We, too, have WMD. Many other countries have WMD.
> Shall we invade  
> >> them
> >> one by one?
> >
> > Get with the program, Gene. It's like nukes; we
> and our friends are
> > allowed to have them. The Bad Guys are not (and we get
> to decide who  
> > are
> > the Bad Guys). Might makes right (makes one worry
> about what will  
> > happen
> > when we are no longer the mightiest...someone is going
> to open a can  
> > of
> > whup-ass on us).
>
> Seems to me we are doing it to ourselves. Spending how many
> billions  
> trillions on the unnecessary Iraq Invasion and occupation?
> Spending  
> what will no doubt be over a trillion on profitizing big
> companies  
> that have failed. Sending how many billions to oil-rich
> countries?  
> Selling our country to China and how many others more sane
> than we?
>
> _______________________________________________
> Homestead list and subscription:
> http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/homestead
> Change your homestead list member options:
> http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/options/homestead/bobford79%40yahoo.com
> View the archives at:
> https://lists.ibiblio.org/sympa/arc/homestead