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  • From: Gene GeRue <genegerue AT ruralize.com>
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  • Subject: Re: [Homestead] Upcoming - under Dem/Obama reign - wsj
  • Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 12:37:21 -0700


On Oct 28, 2008, at 12:22 PM, EarthNSky wrote:

Gene GeRue wrote:

As you have found a source, please give us the numbers of troops sent
compared to the number of Americans sent.

It is irrelevant.
You said we stood alone, I said we did not. I gave our partners. Their
contributions, whether in troops, training, money, or support in other
ways(such as housing refugees) will vary and are irrelevant to the argument.

Tell that to the families of the American men and women who have been killed or maimed and tell that to the American taxpayers' grandchildren who will pay the bill.

Iran is/was anything but depleted. The Iran/Iraq war had been over for
many years.

"Despite several calls for a ceasefire by the United Nations Security Council, hostilities continued until 20 August1988. The last prisoners of war were exchanged in 2003.[8][9]

"The war is noted for several things. It was of great cost in lives and economic damage - a half a million Iraqi and Iranian soldiers as well as civilians are believed to have died in the war with many more injured and wounded - but brought neither reparations nor change in borders. . . .

"The war was extremely costly in lives and material, one of the deadliest wars since World War II (see list of wars and disasters by death toll). Both countries were devastated by the war's effect. It cost Iran an estimated 1 million casualties, killed or wounded, and Iranians continue to suffer and die as a consequence of Iraq's use of chemical weapons. Iraqi casualties are estimated at 250,000-500,000 killed or wounded. Thousands of Civilians died on both sides from air raids and missiles.[40]
"The financial loss was also heavy, at that time exceeding US$500 billion for each (US$1.2 trillion in total), but shortly after it turned out that the economic cost of war is more profound and long- lasting than estimated right after war. Economic development was stalled and oil exports disrupted. Iraq was left with serious debts to its former Arab backers, including US$14 billion loaned by Kuwait, a debt which contributed to Saddam's 1990 decision to invade.
"Much of the oil industry in both countries was damaged in air raids. Iran's production capacity has yet to fully recover from the damages of the war. 10 million shells had landed in Iraq's oil fields at Basra, seriously damaging Iraq's oil production. Prisoners taken by both sides were not released until more than 10 years after the end of the conflict. Cities on both sides had also taken considerable damage."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_iraq_war
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The entire war in Iraq has cost about the same as the recent bail-out. The War estimated at 1 trillion, the combined bailout cost, already at least, more than one trillion. As for price; the d*mn war was a better deal.
And, people will die and people will become sick as the financial
skullduggery unwinds -- just not as apparent as in war. They were equally
wrong and equally not driven by the constitution ......bobf

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--- On Tue, 10/28/08, Gene GeRue <genegerue AT ruralize.com> wrote:

From: Gene GeRue <genegerue AT ruralize.com>
Subject: Re: [Homestead] Upcoming - under Dem/Obama reign - wsj
To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 1:27 PM
On Oct 28, 2008, at 12:18 PM, Lynn Wigglesworth wrote:

>
> Gene GeRue wrote:
>
>> We, too, have WMD. Many other countries have WMD.
Shall we invade >> them
>> one by one?
>
> Get with the program, Gene. It's like nukes; we
and our friends are
> allowed to have them. The Bad Guys are not (and we get
to decide who > are
> the Bad Guys). Might makes right (makes one worry
about what will > happen
> when we are no longer the mightiest...someone is going
to open a can > of
> whup-ass on us).

Seems to me we are doing it to ourselves. Spending how many
billions trillions on the unnecessary Iraq Invasion and occupation?
Spending what will no doubt be over a trillion on profitizing big
companies that have failed. Sending how many billions to oil-rich
countries? Selling our country to China and how many others more sane
than we?

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