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[bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>]

I thought I could just take a big barrel of mixed seeds and sow them into the 
wild.?  Seriously, Lynn, your point is well taken.  An already existing
area of the proper type of soil upon which to grow a garden has always been 
one of my requirements. 

 Live water is a strong desire.  If I can pick from one or the other, why not 
go with my desire.  By the way, throughout the southeast (not just the west) 
people's wells have been going dry, for the first time anyone can remeber, 
and crops have withered ..

***Note * I am adding a link to a 12 minute audio/video by Jim Rogers.  He is 
one of the world's great investors.  But, the reason I'm linking is becasue 
of him talking about the economic stupidity and immorality of the new bailout 
pland, 

And, he talks in great deal about agricultural commodities in the future, and 
how it will be farmers , instead of investment bankers, driving maseratis in 
the future. 

 He talks about how people should choose farming, rather than law or banking 
as carreers.  Rogers is originally a small town Alabama boy, who co-founded 
with Soros, Quantum. 

 He and Soros are completely different ideologically and philosophically.  
Anyway, it is a short audio/video, and I looked for a transcript for bev or 
anyone else with slow connection, but could not find one.......bobf

http://www.bloomberg.com/avp/avp.htm?N=adviser&T=Jim%20Rogers%20Sees%20Higher%20Returns%20in%20Agriculture%20Than%20Gold&clipSRC=mms://media2.bloomberg.com/cache/vZxWkZj_78EQ.asf



































--- On Sat, 10/25/08, Lynn Wigglesworth <lynnw1366 AT hotmail.com> wrote:

> From: Lynn Wigglesworth <lynnw1366 AT hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] Music was  Newsweek -
> To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Date: Saturday, October 25, 2008, 10:37 AM
> Bob; when I think of northern Arizona, I think of the Grand
> Canyon. 
> Isn't that area dry and rocky? I live about 3 miles
> from what's called 
> the Pennsylvania Grand Canyon. Rocky, but not at all dry. 
> http://www.geotimes.org/oct07/article.html?id=Travels1007.html
> 
> Water isn't a real issue in northern PA because
> it's everywhere. We have 
> abundant rain and snow, spread throughout the year. Any
> property of more 
> than an acre or two probably has a spring or small stream
> on it. I was 
> always kind of amused by discussions of water conservation
> and mulching 
> to keep moisture in the garden. My problem more often is
> drying out the 
> garden so the seeds don't rot. Once plants are
> established, I rarely 
> have to water.
> 
> If you are going to do it, I think you should do it as soon
> as possible. 
> Especially if you are starting from scratch. One thing I
> like about my 
> property is that it's been a farm for close to a
> hundred years. Many of 
> the problems (mostly drainage around the buildings) have
> been dealt 
> with. Building up good garden soil can take years,
> depending on what you 
> have to start with. I started with dense clay, and after
> 10-11 years of 
> adding tons of organic matter, I finally have a garden that
> warms 
> quickly in the spring and drains well enough not to drown
> the plants. It 
> takes time to get things working right.
> 
> Lynn Wigglesworth
> Tioga County, PA
> 
> bob ford wrote:
> > Lynn, clear live water is very important to me.  I
> guess, like you, I'm at an age where I want what I want.
> And, I want  water.  The good thing about northern AR / So.
> missouri is the abundance of beautiful , live , clear water.
>  The fact that the Ozarks makes it a bit more difficult to
> get to is a plus.
> > 
> > I don't want a "farm". I know my
> limitations, and I am not up to being a full-scale (even
> small) farmer. I want to grow most of my vegetables and grow
> or otherwise harvest most of my meat/fish.  There are only
> two of us, even if both live full time , in the wild.  Maybe
> that would be partial subsistence farming, but not a real
> "farm" like yours.  I have no progeny.  I'm
> not trying to leave a legacy, other than being a good
> steward of the land.  
> > 
> > James is right , though.  I can keep putting this off
> for-ever.  I 'm in the process of trying to arrange a
> final pay-off to an acronymed gov't agency, afterwards,
> I really will no longer have excuses.  We won't be as
> finacially capable as we were before, but that just means I
> have to build a smaller shack/house on a smaller piece of
> ground.  I'm still thinking that having a tiny house in
> town, for her, would not be a bad idea.  Homes, even in
> town, in someozark towns can cost less thana car.  It is
> really strange, you can look at a small town in Mo. and the
> will have a 2 million dollar house and a 15, 000 house, both
> in the same tiny town?
> > 
> > ...............bobf
> > 
> > 
> > --- On Sat, 10/25/08, Lynn Wigglesworth  wrote:
> > 
> >> From: Lynn Wigglesworth 
> >> Subject: Re: [Homestead] Music was  Newsweek -
> >> To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> >> Date: Saturday, October 25, 2008, 8:33 AM
> >> bob ford wrote:
> >>
> >>> I'm curious, how to you come to pick
> >> "place"?.  I've looked and bought
> and sold in
> >> different areas of the country, never can find
> just what I
> >> want.  
> >>
> >> I'm not Bev, but I can tell you how I picked
> my place.
> >> First, I knew the 
> >> area of the country I wanted. It was a large area,
> from
> >> West Virgina up 
> >> to Maine. I wanted real seasons and a relatively
> cool, not
> >> humid summer 
> >> (that eliminated the south and much of the coast).
> I
> >> pictured the 'look' 
> >> that I wanted...rolling green hills. Lots of
> pasture and
> >> farms, with 
> >> lots of trees between farms. My family had
> vacationed in
> >> upstate New 
> >> York for years, so I knew that much of the
> Northeast fit my
> >> vision. Then 
> >> I looked at land prices and taxes and general cost
> of
> >> living.
> >>
> >> Northern Pennsylvania was a good fit for me. New
> York has
> >> high taxes. 
> >> Vermont has high land prices. If I moved to Maine,
> it would
> >> be near the 
> >> coast, and that's expensive. I looked at lots
> of areas
> >> online, then we 
> >> came up here for weekends and just drove around,
> over 3
> >> counties. I saw 
> >> this place and saw (in my minds eye) the kind of
> farm I
> >> wanted. Everyone 
> >> else saw a rundown farm that had everything of
> value sold
> >> at auction. I 
> >> bought the newspaper from the local town, had it
> mailed to
> >> me in Philly, 
> >> and read it for almost a full year before we
> bought. After
> >> reading a big 
> >> city paper, a rural newspaper was delightful. Who
> shot the
> >> first buck of 
> >> the season, who caught the biggest fish. No
> murders or
> >> serious crime. 
> >> Someone breaking into an unlocked car made the
> headlines.
> >>
> >> The fact that, after a year, my farm was still
> available
> >> was a clue to 
> >> the economy (it had, in fact, been on the market
> for 9
> >> years). Houses in 
> >> town sell quickly, but farms are a white elephant.
> I knew
> >> this wasn't a 
> >> property I could sell easily, but I have no
> intention of
> >> ever moving, so 
> >> it doesn't matter to me. By coincidence, this
> farm was
> >> going to auction 
> >> for back taxes/mortgage just as we wanted to buy
> it. The
> >> government had 
> >> somehow ended up owning it (farm mortgage, I
> think). We got
> >> a lawyer who 
> >> negotiated us a great deal; the government was
> happy to
> >> take pennies on 
> >> the dollar since they'd get cash, and we got
> it for
> >> about half the going 
> >> rate for bare land (with a house, barn, and lots
> of
> >> outbuildings). We 
> >> put every cent into paying down the (small)
> mortgage and
> >> making 
> >> emergency repairs (new roof on the house,
> structural work
> >> on the barn). 
> >> When my ex bailed out, the farm was accessed at
> double what
> >> we paid for 
> >> it, so I had to pay him half of that price. So
> here I am
> >> with a 
> >> falling-down farm :-)
> >>
> >>
> >>
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