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  • From: "Lynda" <lurine AT softcom.net>
  • To: <homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [Homestead] Obama fans, what say ye?
  • Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 11:22:47 -0800

So maybe that is where the disconnect comes from, Gene. I've BTDT and have lived a good part of my life in just such a community. Plus have relatives that have always lived on the edge of disaster as the government plays games with water and rivers and fish and timber. AND, I live in that community right now.

He has NOT described anyone I know or have lived around. Thus, I find his generalization to be objectionable.

Of course, some of it could be that I hate labels and find them to be a poor substitute for reality. AND, dangerous!

Lynda
----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene GeRue" <genegerue AT ruralize.com>

For those following this discussion, here is a transcript of Obama's
full remarks, with all the uhs and ums included. Looks like a true
transcript:
http://thepage.time.com/transcript-of-obamas-remarks-at-san-francisco-fundraiser-sunday/

Let me recap before I go on. Yes, there are people as he describes
who put
confidence in guns and religion, do not put confidence in
government, and are
politically discontent. But the conclusion that the one is BECAUSE
of the
other is his bias and mindset. And it is deeply offensive.

Only if YOU have THAT bias, that take on meaning. How is it deeply
offensive to you--he did not refer to someone in your circumstances at
all.

I do not have a bias except for truth and I find his remarks
discerning and far from offensive. Perhaps it is because I have no way
except imagination to closely relate to the people about whom he
referred. Perhaps you do. I read it as him saying that people feel
they have been lied to about jobs by their government for twenty-five
years and they are beyond frustration and so they cling to the
positive things that sustain them. Sounds right to me. Sounds to me
like he is sensitive to their feelings.

Years ago, many years ago, I decided that it was better to BE more
than to
HAVE more and set out to develop skills and abilities I needed for
homesteading
rather than buying them. This meant learning to do things by hand
and with
hands tools. In the case of cutting wood, it meant getting some
crosscut and
frame saws, some files and guides, and learning how to sharpen and
set the saws.
It also meant avoiding becoming a middle-aged blob of breathless lard,
developing a tai-chi like movement that would allow chopping and
sawing for an
extended time without exhaustion due to inefficient movement. It
meant studying
trees, studying stoves. Much more than any of those things it meant
creating
an atmosphere so that my sons and daughters developed dense bones,
strong
frames, and a poise and orientation to pleasureable work. I have
time, sweat,
blood, and a very great deal of effort invested in this turn.
Compared to when I
started this venture (wood cutting being only one example of it) I
can report
honestly that I indeed HAVE less. Whether I AM more will be for
time to
determine, but I am not dispeased.

So in the last gig in the industrial world I held, I was talking
with a man
exactly my age and grotesquely overweight and out of shape. He was
commenting,
as so many do, that it is insane to not use a chainsaw. In fact, he
proclaimed, it was obvious that the ONLY reason I used an axe and
framesaw was because
I'd had some bad luck with a chainsaw at some point in my past and was
sulking over it.

A whole well thought out change in lifestyle dismissed as
insignificant and
only steming from a fit of frustration over some imagined problem
with a
chainsaw. It didn't bother me. I wonder if it bothered him that I
pointed out
that we two, the same age to a week, each had a waist line that was
more than ten
inches different from our chest.

LIke that almost every fundamentalist friend and relative I have are
sure
that we don't attend a church ONLY because someone hurt our feelings
and ruffled
our feathers at some point in the past.

(Lynda will have heard this one) Like that, we can show that
homeschooled and
unschooled children have a tremendous advantage over their government
schooled counter parts. We can recite the history of government
education in this
country, its effects, and why children in those schools are being
prepared for a
world that hardly exists any more. It is a very deeply held
conviction in
which we have invested a great deal of our lives. And yet it is
routinely
dismissed with, "Oh, you only homeschool because you had some bad
episode or the
other with a teacher, that's all."

Like the people in rural Pennsylvania, I put more confidence in my
guns to
protect my family than put in the government. I did so before Obama
was born.
I will do so long after he's a footnote in history. Likewise my
religious
beliefs are a better guide to a decent life than all the government
leadership
that ever existed. It was before Obama was born and will be long
after his
influence passes away.

Yet Obama has look at those things and said "you only CLING to those
things
becaue you are politcally frustrated".

No, he did not say that. Please show me where he said that.

His offensiveness is exceeded only by his offensiveness.

Well, now I see your sensitivity to some of the issues involved.
James, I happen to admire your chosen lifestyle. I think you and
Denise are doing a great job of showing your children a good way to
live. But I am sure you know that many if not most people have not a
clue to your logic for living as you do. And surely you have an
understanding that your lifestyle biases how you see the far different
choice made by the rest of the population.

That's what Obama means by "change". Glad to finally have it in the
open.
He means that self reliance, our trust in our own courage and
ability and
beliefs, is to be replaced by a reliance on HIS form of government.

I fail to find him saying or intimating that any place. I find a great
many places where he has said much the opposite, encouraging people to
take charge of their lives.

We will, in his estimation, give up our clinging to guns and
religion just as soon as he
gives us some relief from our frustration.

James, that is a helluva stretch. You are now reading volumes into one
or two sentences. Gonna have to start calling you Freud.

After all those are not values that
have been thought out and tested and refined though generations of
free
Americans, we only hold those because we are frightened rural half-
wits.

Hey, when you get on a roll you can extrapolate with the best of them.

Unsuitable for president.

Well, we get to vote for any reason we choose. From pure instinctive
gut feelings to vast research.

Is this a great country or what?

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