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[<scott@permaculture.org>]

Hey Lawrence how did your comments on my submission to the list appear before 
my comments did??
Scott

>  -------Original Message-------
>  From: Lawrence London <lfljvenaura@gmail.com>
>  To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
>  Subject: Re: [permaculture] Is it Satirical irony or
>  Sent: Jul 15 '16 11:24
>  
>  On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 12:19 PM, <scott@permaculture.org> wrote:
>  
>  > As for moderation of this group it is another form of censorship as is
>  > political correctness.  As as long as a contributor doesn't attack ones
>  > mother, children, wife, husbqand etc but is speaking of unethical or
>  > unpermacultural behavior I think the gloves have to be off.  I also don't
>  > think that permaculture is only about horticulture or silvaculture, in 
> fact
>  > I think it is more about ethics, social, legal, and financial sectors of
>  > our culture.  As far as I'm concerned this thread has been about ethics 
> in
>  > permaculture and, frankly, there are problems living up to those ethics
>  > within a small but loud minority in our midst.  I think that we have to
>  > expose unethical behavior wherever it rears its ugly head and I will
>  > continue to do so if I get moderated off of the list so be it.
>  
>  
>  There will be no need to worry about that. I have been through enough
>  upheavals in this list to be able to finally get a grip on managing it and
>  keeping it on track. Scrooge's suggestion about moderation based on a set o
>  rules is good but I think maybe we need to evolve beyond that tool for
>  grooming dialog.
>  I do not plan to create a set of rules to post on the list homepage or
>  periodically in the list proper. The people in this list already know what
>  kind of behavior or "netiquette" is expected of them so they need no
>  talking down to. Si far this go round the list seems to be self moderating,
>  just read the threads. I will just leave it like that and allow feedback
>  cycles to make any adjustments to posting norms. I will add one element
>  though. If one or more individuals has enough of a problem with any
>  particular poster or topic then make your views known. Whereas many subject
>  headers are prefaced with OT for off topic we could add and use another for
>  "this poster and or topic has gone far enough and if it continues I will
>  unsubscribe from the list" such as LU for "Listen Up" or something else
>  appropriate.
>  
>  About Lawton and PRI, just ask around or ask PRI where they got the
>  original design, structure and content that they used (plagarized and stole
>  outright)
>  for their original PDC, Permaculture Design Course. That should be enough
>  for anyone who observes the Permaculture Ethics to boycott PRI's 
> activities.
>  
>  Toby's suggestion to ignore all and just get on with your work, create your
>  permaculture designs and put them to work on a permaculture site is
>  excellent. Considering the times we are in this is a path many will take I
>  am sure, hopefully avoiding PRI, the Wheaties joke and of course Vlad the
>  Corrupt in the process.
>  
>  LL
>  
>  
>  
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