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[Woody Wodraska <wodraska@mac.com>]

thanks Killian, yes what we share is top priority.
bb
Woody Wodraska
wodraska@mac.com
http://www.soulmedicinejourney.com
    Deep Gardening: Soul Lessons from 17 Gardens, Biodynamic  
Memories  now available at http://www.trafford.com/Bookstore/BookDetail.aspx?BookId=SKU-000138866



On Aug 25, 2010, at 9:01 PM, Killian O'Brien wrote:

> Given I am a boomer, by some counts, at least, and probably in the  
> last .0001 percentile being born at the tail end of '64, I hardly  
> feel like a sellout! I'm a right proper liberal/never-done-drugs-but- 
> come-from-a-drug-usin'-brood/stuck in 60's-70's rock/sometime  
> longhair/A-B student/geek/teacher/entrepreneur/hate abortion-but- 
> support-the-right/climate activist/doomer/see a pinprick of light  
> down the tunnel/flat broke product of the Boomer Gen.
>
> And I think the idea that permaculture can be a movement or should  
> be defined or governed or suffers some generational failings to be  
> silly. Let it be what it is, people, which is different for us all.  
> Fighting that is like fighting the tide. I've had conversations with  
> Geoff Lawton and Bill Mollison (very short, via e-mail, and probably  
> actually Lisa doing the typing, and perhaps the responding), and  
> both were amazed and appalled (my specific words) at the false  
> division between the practically minded and the more, shall we say,  
> spiritually-minded, as well as the ultra-competitiveness, in the US.
>
> These conversations are interesting in the way a good dorm lobby  
> debate was interesting in college: they help individuals hone their  
> self-concept, beliefs, whathaveyou, but don't change much. I fall  
> back to the obvious: a million permaculturists will result in a  
> million permacultures. Just let it be, eh? What we share is what is  
> important. The ethics and principles, as they are, with or without  
> extension, are mind-bogglingly powerful. It's enough. We need not  
> cram it into a form or stretch it to fit some ideal or ideology.
>
> Let those that wish to get rich doing this do so. Let those, that  
> give it away, like me so far, do so. Don't work with them if you  
> don't want to. God knows there are "permaculturists" that flat  
> refuse to work with me. While it hurts, at the end of the day it  
> can't matter. The work is the thing. Are there selfish, perhaps  
> "bad" people doing PM? Undoubtedly. So? You gonna tie 'em down?  
> Decertify them?
>
> We have powerful tools at our disposal and powerful knowledge. What  
> divides us is so much esoterica.
>
> Just my 99 cents.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Killian O'Brien
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: permaculture-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:permaculture-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org 
> ] On Behalf Of Jacque Greenleaf
> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 11:14 PM
> To: permaculture
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] Nicholas permaculture generation gap
>
> Sorry, I didn't mean to come across as sour and judgmental. I am  
> genuinely curious - what experience(s) led the OP to the conclusion  
> that boomers have all sold out? I mean, if there is nuance in that  
> post or room for a gray area, I fail to see it.
>
>
> On Aug 25, 2010, at 7:36 PM, Woody Wodraska wrote:
>
> > Now Jacque who is it that is being sour and judgmental? It seems  
> > this list is one attack after another I have watched this for  
> > sometime now.
> > "Out beyond ideas of right doing and wrong doing there's a field,  
> > I'll meet you there" Rumi
> >
> > what the hell is the good of this list if all you do is fight and  
> > not be able to have any dialog or discussion at all?
> > bb
> > Woody Wodraska
> > wodraska@mac.com
> > http://www.soulmedicinejourney.com
> >   Deep Gardening: Soul Lessons from 17 Gardens, Biodynamic  
> > Memories  now available at http://www.trafford.com/Bookstore/BookDetail.aspx?BookId=SKU-000138866
> >
> >
> >
> > On Aug 25, 2010, at 6:24 PM, Jacque Greenleaf wrote:
> >
> > > I'm really curious, what experience have you had with people my  
> > > age that has led you to be so sour and judgmental?
> >
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