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["Steven & Margaret Eisenhauer" <eisenhauerdesign@earthlink.net>]

I stand corrected and am grateful to know there are those who have done and
continue to do the good work no matter the odds.

-----Original Message-----
From: permaculture-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org
[mailto:permaculture-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Woody Wodraska
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 9:50 PM
To: permaculture
Subject: Re: [permaculture] Nicholas permaculture generation gap

Not all boomers are created equal. Woody and I have been biodynamic  
farmers and teachers for 45 years collectively, it really isnt' such a  
good idea to lump all into one
because we are not all one, we are individuals as one.
Barbara and Woody
Woody Wodraska
wodraska@mac.com
http://www.soulmedicinejourney.com
     Deep Gardening: Soul Lessons from 17 Gardens, Biodynamic  
Memories  now available at
http://www.trafford.com/Bookstore/BookDetail.aspx?BookId=SKU-000138866



On Aug 25, 2010, at 5:11 PM, Steven & Margaret Eisenhauer wrote:

>
> Boomers sold out.  They did not demand the kind of change they  
> really wanted
> and settled for the status Que. As a reward they have been ripped  
> off and
> side lined, ultimately settling for rank materialism and  
> prescription feel
> good drugs.  The boomers should get off the couch, get their heads  
> out of
> their behinds and work for the values they espoused as young people.  
> Or
> perhaps they can't remember what it was they wanted.  Or have the real
> visionaries been liquidated? Have the rats ate the grain and all  
> that is
> left is the chaff?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: permaculture-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org
> [mailto:permaculture-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Rain  
> Tenaqiya
> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 2:15 PM
> To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: [permaculture] Nicholas permaculture generation gap
>
> Thanks, Nicholas, for one of the more thoughtful and solution-focused
> messages of late.  I have been thinking about the generational  
> differences
> between Boomers and younger folks, especially as they relate to  
> permaculture
> efforts, and I do feel they are significant.  I largely agree with  
> your
> analysis, however I feel there is one important aspect that you left  
> out.
> Boomers may have had it easier in some ways, but many were truly
> hard-working pioneers in other ways, creating options for later
> generations.  We now have easy access to vegetarian and vegan food,
> renewable energy, ecobuilding techniques, community land ownership  
> models,
> permaculture design, etc.  Many also worked harder than I think most  
> younger
> folks are willing to work.  The stories I have read and listened to  
> about
> the original back-to-the-landers make me feel like a wimp.  The  
> current
> generation has a sense of entitlement and an expectation that things  
> should
> be easy.  They are
> also even more alienated from physical labor.  I speak from personal
> experience.  Younger people also have more educational,  
> entertainment, and
> other opportunities and the society is more mobile, so it is hard to  
> get
> younger folks to commit to a place or project.  Whole segments of  
> society
> seem adrift.
>
> Your comment about rent-seeking retirees seems right on, however.  I  
> feel
> too many otherwise progressive folks too easily accept the idea that  
> it is
> okay to take money you didn't earn yourself.  The lack of  
> questioning of the
> capitalist, class-based system makes me squirm.  On the other hand,  
> I cringe
> when I see how few of my well-intentioned friends have means to create
> sustainable systems without using the property they have access to to
> generate money through renting it out.  We need to come up with more  
> ways to
> raise immediate funds while still giving equity to those paying  
> "rent."
>
>
> Rain
>
>
>
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