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[Woody Wodraska <wodraska@mac.com>]

Hi Daniel,
Glad you are on the list , a little explanation of the word 'meek'.  
Like so many other words in the English language it has been co-opted  
and eclipsed. It does not mean the weak more to the point it means the  
gentle and the kind, the non violent communicators. My feeling is that  
it really does apply because when we work with the earth it is  
important to be gentle. Gaia has given so much and still does pour out  
unconditional love and my experience now is that we are living on the  
New Earth in so many ways. I know that there is all kinds of crap  
happening but we do not hear about the good news at all and there is  
lots of great work happening in quiet places.
Regarding the culture, the old culture which has never been our friend  
but with our work and love for our home we can put the culture back  
into agriculture, it is already happening in so many places.
If you are around money which in so many ways is a virtual reality  
then maybe start a little garden or commune with the trees as the  
spirits in the garden and in the community of beings surrounding every  
tree have stories to tell you and they might even ask for help.
If your own family cannot understand what you are trying to do know  
that you have a community of light wherever you are.
Bright Blessings,
Barbara
Woody Wodraska
wodraska@mac.com
http://www.soulmedicinejourney.com
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On Aug 26, 2010, at 8:28 PM, Daniel Mazen Kablaoui wrote:

> What is this meek shall inherit the earth business? That's never  
> been the case, and never will. The meek?
>
> I don't even really know what boomers are - my personal family  
> history skipped all that - parents in the late sixties of depression  
> babies.
>
> I do know that the culture I'm from is pretty ignorant of the work  
> you elders done did.  Defensive, bitter, and more ignant still of  
> this platform you built.  Looking at me like I'm some kind of crazy  
> person trying to climb up to that stage.
>
> In every real sense I know that I have to build my own, but y'all  
> laid down some amazing blueprints. Thank you, thanks be to the G's.
>
> Every day I learn something done by this generation we're talking  
> about, and immediately have more new ideas about what I'm trying to  
> do - lightyears ahead of where I would have gotten to on my own.  
> Thank you! To the G's.
>
> Permaculture is big big. I mean what Killian meant, that there are  
> as many permacultures as their are permaculturalists.  That's the  
> truth right now anyhow.
>
> So I've been looking in the wrong place  for my own circuit cipher  
> circle - so I've bitched a lot about the way this Pc thing is  
> structured. I am sorry to all those I've blamed - if it's not in the  
> cards why am I cryin?
>
> Holding down my own fort and family is the only way forward... It's  
> just that they're blind, deaf, dumb to what y'all are trying to do.  
> My own struggle, not the fault of anybody on this list.
>
> But see that's where I'm coming from with a voice as good as yours  
> when you tell me why you did and deserve I want to laugh as often as  
> I want to scream but less than I'd like to applaud.
>
> Applause.
>
> Yearg I want to argue with y'all. Damn I want to try knock people  
> off their horses! But I've not even got a horse, or any land, or any  
> accomplishments, so who the am I?
>
> I am a young man with more than a few chips on my shoulder, angry,  
> with more than a few bones to pick, quick, with words that just  
> don't stick to anybody too concerned with themselves to see where  
> the young are at.
>
> I am lazy! And so are most and many of my youngs, sames, and olds.   
> But we are rich. And so are the counted members of my family who  
> know on me they can count. Rich rich richer than you are with a  
> bigger burden to carry.
>
> Too much searching the Internet, not enough busting of heads and  
> writing on the walls of the place I live.  Not enough practice, not  
> enough patience, not enough!
>
> But Killian's words were most right - until that time comes and  
> somebody can make it clear - we live in fear that we're not giving  
> enough light, that we don't actually have support, that.... Blah!
>
> It IS possible for an articulator to build a narrative that  
> captivates and moves like this Pc does not... An articulator to help  
> us explain this game and frame our work in a way that's not full of  
> murk - or maybe not the work that we do, but the reason I listen to  
> you, and you, and Lawrence - whose last posting to this discussion  
> made me feel like crushin all the negativity that's been bothering  
> me, as I read these feeds from the crevices of PC.
>
> Boomers!? Uh, thank you!  An articulator not for you, or really for  
> me anymore - but for kids and babies about to be washing onshore.  
> More and more and more all the time asking with no answers to help  
> them see out some grime.
>
> Pc teaches and many of us have heard, but this is still just a text  
> until it gets turned into word.
>
> Culture! How does that get built? So far we're just adding stacking  
> more on these non load bearing stilts!
>
> Open question: is my PDC worth anything beyond those magical two  
> weeks? Will anyone be able to understand what I seek?
>
> But back on topic - uh.. the meek. The Meek are guaranteed sure to  
> miss out on their share no matter how much anyone cares. I thought I  
> learned that from y'all. Or from that big book and the PDC. Ya'see?  
> Everything still means something differently - Killian's rules.
>
> But this disagree/relativity cannot be. To a culture? That's not the  
> way, and as designers we should teach that opinions hold no sway  
> because at the end of the day grav still holds us no matter what we  
> say. Answers!
>
> The          shall inherit the Earth.
>
> On Aug 26, 2010, at 9:04 PM, Linda Ray <lindaray@att.net> wrote:
>
> > I don't think we sold out. I think we built the platform you're  
> > standing on :-).
> >
> > Not to worry. I know you're younger. I know that doesn't make you  
> > one of the
> > ones who were too busy playing around to listen...
> >
> > Couldn't resist. Ya have to admit, you asked for that..
> >
> > Linda :-)
> > One of those awful Boomers :-)
> >
> > Boomers, the first cut-and-come-again crop.
> > The Meek shall inherit the Earth.
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Steven & Margaret Eisenhauer <eisenhauerdesign@earthlink.net>
> > To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> > Sent: Wed, August 25, 2010 5:11:34 PM
> > Subject: Re: [permaculture] Nicholas permaculture generation gap
> >
> >
> > Boomers sold out.  They did not demand the kind of change they  
> > really wanted
> > and settled for the status Que. As a reward they have been ripped  
> > off and
> > side lined, ultimately settling for rank materialism and  
> > prescription feel
> > good drugs.  The boomers should get off the couch, get their heads  
> > out of
> > their behinds and work for the values they espoused as young  
> > people. Or
> > perhaps they can't remember what it was they wanted.  Or have the  
> > real
> > visionaries been liquidated? Have the rats ate the grain and all  
> > that is
> > left is the chaff?
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: permaculture-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org
> > [mailto:permaculture-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Rain  
> > Tenaqiya
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 2:15 PM
> > To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
> > Subject: [permaculture] Nicholas permaculture generation gap
> >
> > Thanks, Nicholas, for one of the more thoughtful and solution-focused
> > messages of late.  I have been thinking about the generational  
> > differences
> > between Boomers and younger folks, especially as they relate to  
> > permaculture
> > efforts, and I do feel they are significant.  I largely agree with  
> > your
> > analysis, however I feel there is one important aspect that you  
> > left out.
> > Boomers may have had it easier in some ways, but many were truly
> > hard-working pioneers in other ways, creating options for later
> > generations.  We now have easy access to vegetarian and vegan food,
> > renewable energy, ecobuilding techniques, community land ownership  
> > models,
> > permaculture design, etc.  Many also worked harder than I think  
> > most younger
> > folks are willing to work.  The stories I have read and listened to  
> > about
> > the original back-to-the-landers make me feel like a wimp.  The  
> > current
> > generation has a sense of entitlement and an expectation that  
> > things should
> > be easy.  They are
> > also even more alienated from physical labor.  I speak from personal
> > experience.  Younger people also have more educational,  
> > entertainment, and
> > other opportunities and the society is more mobile, so it is hard  
> > to get
> > younger folks to commit to a place or project.  Whole segments of  
> > society
> > seem adrift.
> >
> > Your comment about rent-seeking retirees seems right on, however.   
> > I feel
> > too many otherwise progressive folks too easily accept the idea  
> > that it is
> > okay to take money you didn't earn yourself.  The lack of  
> > questioning of the
> > capitalist, class-based system makes me squirm.  On the other hand,  
> > I cringe
> > when I see how few of my well-intentioned friends have means to  
> > create
> > sustainable systems without using the property they have access to to
> > generate money through renting it out.  We need to come up with  
> > more ways to
> > raise immediate funds while still giving equity to those paying  
> > "rent."
> >
> >
> > Rain
> >
> >
> >
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