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  • From: Daniel Mazen Kablaoui <dankablaoui@gmail.com>
  • To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [permaculture] S&M Eisen / Nicholas permaculture generation gap
  • Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 23:28:32 -0400

What is this meek shall inherit the earth business? That's never been the
case, and never will. The meek?

I don't even really know what boomers are - my personal family history
skipped all that - parents in the late sixties of depression babies.

I do know that the culture I'm from is pretty ignorant of the work you elders
done did. Defensive, bitter, and more ignant still of this platform you
built. Looking at me like I'm some kind of crazy person trying to climb up
to that stage.

In every real sense I know that I have to build my own, but y'all laid down
some amazing blueprints. Thank you, thanks be to the G's.

Every day I learn something done by this generation we're talking about, and
immediately have more new ideas about what I'm trying to do - lightyears
ahead of where I would have gotten to on my own. Thank you! To the G's.

Permaculture is big big. I mean what Killian meant, that there are as many
permacultures as their are permaculturalists. That's the truth right now
anyhow.

So I've been looking in the wrong place for my own circuit cipher circle -
so I've bitched a lot about the way this Pc thing is structured. I am sorry
to all those I've blamed - if it's not in the cards why am I cryin?

Holding down my own fort and family is the only way forward... It's just that
they're blind, deaf, dumb to what y'all are trying to do. My own struggle,
not the fault of anybody on this list.

But see that's where I'm coming from with a voice as good as yours when you
tell me why you did and deserve I want to laugh as often as I want to scream
but less than I'd like to applaud.

Applause.

Yearg I want to argue with y'all. Damn I want to try knock people off their
horses! But I've not even got a horse, or any land, or any accomplishments,
so who the am I?

I am a young man with more than a few chips on my shoulder, angry, with more
than a few bones to pick, quick, with words that just don't stick to anybody
too concerned with themselves to see where the young are at.

I am lazy! And so are most and many of my youngs, sames, and olds. But we
are rich. And so are the counted members of my family who know on me they can
count. Rich rich richer than you are with a bigger burden to carry.

Too much searching the Internet, not enough busting of heads and writing on
the walls of the place I live. Not enough practice, not enough patience, not
enough!

But Killian's words were most right - until that time comes and somebody can
make it clear - we live in fear that we're not giving enough light, that we
don't actually have support, that.... Blah!

It IS possible for an articulator to build a narrative that captivates and
moves like this Pc does not... An articulator to help us explain this game
and frame our work in a way that's not full of murk - or maybe not the work
that we do, but the reason I listen to you, and you, and Lawrence - whose
last posting to this discussion made me feel like crushin all the negativity
that's been bothering me, as I read these feeds from the crevices of PC.

Boomers!? Uh, thank you! An articulator not for you, or really for me
anymore - but for kids and babies about to be washing onshore. More and more
and more all the time asking with no answers to help them see out some grime.

Pc teaches and many of us have heard, but this is still just a text until it
gets turned into word.

Culture! How does that get built? So far we're just adding stacking more on
these non load bearing stilts!

Open question: is my PDC worth anything beyond those magical two weeks? Will
anyone be able to understand what I seek?

But back on topic - uh.. the meek. The Meek are guaranteed sure to miss out
on their share no matter how much anyone cares. I thought I learned that from
y'all. Or from that big book and the PDC. Ya'see? Everything still means
something differently - Killian's rules.

But this disagree/relativity cannot be. To a culture? That's not the way, and
as designers we should teach that opinions hold no sway because at the end of
the day grav still holds us no matter what we say. Answers!

The shall inherit the Earth.

On Aug 26, 2010, at 9:04 PM, Linda Ray <lindaray@att.net> wrote:

> I don't think we sold out. I think we built the platform you're standing on
> :-).
>
> Not to worry. I know you're younger. I know that doesn't make you one of
> the
> ones who were too busy playing around to listen...
>
> Couldn't resist. Ya have to admit, you asked for that..
>
> Linda :-)
> One of those awful Boomers :-)
>
> Boomers, the first cut-and-come-again crop.
> The Meek shall inherit the Earth.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Steven & Margaret Eisenhauer <eisenhauerdesign@earthlink.net>
> To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Wed, August 25, 2010 5:11:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] Nicholas permaculture generation gap
>
>
> Boomers sold out. They did not demand the kind of change they really wanted
> and settled for the status Que. As a reward they have been ripped off and
> side lined, ultimately settling for rank materialism and prescription feel
> good drugs. The boomers should get off the couch, get their heads out of
> their behinds and work for the values they espoused as young people. Or
> perhaps they can't remember what it was they wanted. Or have the real
> visionaries been liquidated? Have the rats ate the grain and all that is
> left is the chaff?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: permaculture-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org
> [mailto:permaculture-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Rain Tenaqiya
> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 2:15 PM
> To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: [permaculture] Nicholas permaculture generation gap
>
> Thanks, Nicholas, for one of the more thoughtful and solution-focused
> messages of late. I have been thinking about the generational differences
> between Boomers and younger folks, especially as they relate to permaculture
> efforts, and I do feel they are significant. I largely agree with your
> analysis, however I feel there is one important aspect that you left out.
> Boomers may have had it easier in some ways, but many were truly
> hard-working pioneers in other ways, creating options for later
> generations. We now have easy access to vegetarian and vegan food,
> renewable energy, ecobuilding techniques, community land ownership models,
> permaculture design, etc. Many also worked harder than I think most younger
> folks are willing to work. The stories I have read and listened to about
> the original back-to-the-landers make me feel like a wimp. The current
> generation has a sense of entitlement and an expectation that things should
> be easy. They are
> also even more alienated from physical labor. I speak from personal
> experience. Younger people also have more educational, entertainment, and
> other opportunities and the society is more mobile, so it is hard to get
> younger folks to commit to a place or project. Whole segments of society
> seem adrift.
>
> Your comment about rent-seeking retirees seems right on, however. I feel
> too many otherwise progressive folks too easily accept the idea that it is
> okay to take money you didn't earn yourself. The lack of questioning of the
> capitalist, class-based system makes me squirm. On the other hand, I cringe
> when I see how few of my well-intentioned friends have means to create
> sustainable systems without using the property they have access to to
> generate money through renting it out. We need to come up with more ways to
> raise immediate funds while still giving equity to those paying "rent."
>
>
> Rain
>
>
>
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