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[Linda Ray <lindaray@att.net>]

God Bless you, Wodraskas plural :-) ,
 
I wasn't going to have time to respond until later today; So glad to see 
you're here 
Woody :-).
 
Daniel they are saying what I meant, and I shall only add this observation of 
mine to it:
Those who are warlike and divisive will war themselves against each other to 
death, and will therefore not be here to inherit the Earth. 
 
Meek does not equal weak nor defenseless by any means, and in fact takes 
great strength and self-discipline.
 
Also, thank you Poet, for putting your beautiful passion into that beautiful 
poem :-).
 
So Daniel- Here's a challenge for your fertile mind- How's about some 
Permaculture RAP??? Write the music and they will come...
 
Namaste,
 
Linda
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--- On Fri, 8/27/10, Woody Wodraska <wodraska@mac.com> wrote:


From: Woody Wodraska <wodraska@mac.com>
Subject: Re: [permaculture] S&M Eisen / Nicholas permaculture generation gap
To: "permaculture" <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
Date: Friday, August 27, 2010, 9:02 AM


Hi Daniel,
Glad you are on the list , a little explanation of the word 'meek'. Like so 
many other words in the English language it has been co-opted and eclipsed. 
It does not mean the weak more to the point it means the gentle and the kind, 
the non violent communicators. My feeling is that it really does apply 
because when we work with the earth it is important to be gentle. Gaia has 
given so much and still does pour out unconditional love and my experience 
now is that we are living on the New Earth in so many ways. I know that there 
is all kinds of crap happening but we do not hear about the good news at all 
and there is lots of great work happening in quiet places.
Regarding the culture, the old culture which has never been our friend but 
with our work and love for our home we can put the culture back into 
agriculture, it is already happening in so many places.
If you are around money which in so many ways is a virtual reality then maybe 
start a little garden or commune with the trees as the spirits in the garden 
and in the community of beings surrounding every tree have stories to tell 
you and they might even ask for help.
If your own family cannot understand what you are trying to do know that you 
have a community of light wherever you are.
Bright Blessings,
Barbara
Woody Wodraska
wodraska@mac.com
http://www.soulmedicinejourney.com
    Deep Gardening: Soul Lessons from 17 Gardens, Biodynamic Memories  now 
available at 
http://www.trafford.com/Bookstore/BookDetail.aspx?BookId=SKU-000138866



On Aug 26, 2010, at 8:28 PM, Daniel Mazen Kablaoui wrote:

> What is this meek shall inherit the earth business? That's never been the 
> case, and never will. The meek?
> 
> I don't even really know what boomers are - my personal family history 
> skipped all that - parents in the late sixties of depression babies.
> 
> I do know that the culture I'm from is pretty ignorant of the work you 
> elders done did.  Defensive, bitter, and more ignant still of this platform 
> you built.  Looking at me like I'm some kind of crazy person trying to 
> climb up to that stage.
> 
> In every real sense I know that I have to build my own, but y'all laid down 
> some amazing blueprints. Thank you, thanks be to the G's.
> 
> Every day I learn something done by this generation we're talking about, 
> and immediately have more new ideas about what I'm trying to do - 
> lightyears ahead of where I would have gotten to on my own. Thank you! To 
> the G's.
> 
> Permaculture is big big. I mean what Killian meant, that there are as many 
> permacultures as their are permaculturalists.  That's the truth right now 
> anyhow.
> 
> So I've been looking in the wrong place  for my own circuit cipher circle - 
> so I've bitched a lot about the way this Pc thing is structured. I am sorry 
> to all those I've blamed - if it's not in the cards why am I cryin?
> 
> Holding down my own fort and family is the only way forward... It's just 
> that they're blind, deaf, dumb to what y'all are trying to do. My own 
> struggle, not the fault of anybody on this list.
> 
> But see that's where I'm coming from with a voice as good as yours when you 
> tell me why you did and deserve I want to laugh as often as I want to 
> scream but less than I'd like to applaud.
> 
> Applause.
> 
> Yearg I want to argue with y'all. Damn I want to try knock people off their 
> horses! But I've not even got a horse, or any land, or any accomplishments, 
> so who the am I?
> 
> I am a young man with more than a few chips on my shoulder, angry, with 
> more than a few bones to pick, quick, with words that just don't stick to 
> anybody too concerned with themselves to see where the young are at.
> 
> I am lazy! And so are most and many of my youngs, sames, and olds.  But we 
> are rich. And so are the counted members of my family who know on me they 
> can count. Rich rich richer than you are with a bigger burden to carry.
> 
> Too much searching the Internet, not enough busting of heads and writing on 
> the walls of the place I live.  Not enough practice, not enough patience, 
> not enough!
> 
> But Killian's words were most right - until that time comes and somebody 
> can make it clear - we live in fear that we're not giving enough light, 
> that we don't actually have support, that.... Blah!
> 
> It IS possible for an articulator to build a narrative that captivates and 
> moves like this Pc does not... An articulator to help us explain this game 
> and frame our work in a way that's not full of murk - or maybe not the work 
> that we do, but the reason I listen to you, and you, and Lawrence - whose 
> last posting to this discussion made me feel like crushin all the 
> negativity that's been bothering me, as I read these feeds from the 
> crevices of PC.
> 
> Boomers!? Uh, thank you!  An articulator not for you, or really for me 
> anymore - but for kids and babies about to be washing onshore. More and 
> more and more all the time asking with no answers to help them see out some 
> grime.
> 
> Pc teaches and many of us have heard, but this is still just a text until 
> it gets turned into word.
> 
> Culture! How does that get built? So far we're just adding stacking more on 
> these non load bearing stilts!
> 
> Open question: is my PDC worth anything beyond those magical two weeks? 
> Will anyone be able to understand what I seek?
> 
> But back on topic - uh.. the meek. The Meek are guaranteed sure to miss out 
> on their share no matter how much anyone cares. I thought I learned that 
> from y'all. Or from that big book and the PDC. Ya'see? Everything still 
> means something differently - Killian's rules.
> 
> But this disagree/relativity cannot be. To a culture? That's not the way, 
> and as designers we should teach that opinions hold no sway because at the 
> end of the day grav still holds us no matter what we say. Answers!
> 
> The          shall inherit the Earth.
> 
> On Aug 26, 2010, at 9:04 PM, Linda Ray <lindaray@att.net> wrote:
> 
>> I don't think we sold out. I think we built the platform you're standing 
>> on :-).
>> 
>> Not to worry. I know you're younger. I know that doesn't make you one of 
>> the
>> ones who were too busy playing around to listen...
>> 
>> Couldn't resist. Ya have to admit, you asked for that..
>> 
>> Linda :-)
>> One of those awful Boomers :-)
>> 
>> Boomers, the first cut-and-come-again crop.
>> The Meek shall inherit the Earth.
>> 
>> 
>> Trimmed for mercy :)
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HI there,

The only information that I have found on Hawkweed is in Adele Dawson's,
"Health, Happiness, and the Pursuit of Herbs".  She writes that there are at
least 300 species of Hieracium.  "The plant is astringent, chologogic, and
diuretic.  It checks diarrhea and is a soothing gargel for mild sore
throat." [used as in infusion]  She notes that as it is so widespread and
easily identifiable it is a mild and safe treatment for these common
complaints often resulting from a change of diet and climate.

No mention of allelopathic qualities.

~graham

On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 1:23 PM, paul wheaton <paul@richsoil.com> wrote:

> Anybody know any details about hawkweed allelopathy? There has been a
> fair bit of discussion here:
>
> http://www.permies.com/permaculture-forums/794_0
>
> but so far all that has been uncovered is that the hawkweed pollen is
> allelopathic - but nothing about what it does.
>
> Anybody have any knowledge in this space?
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