permaculture

[Mark <mpludwig@facstaff.wisc.edu>]

At 01:19 PM 10/23/02 -0700, you wrote:
> Mark wrote:
>
> > Actually it works great, only a few weeds fail to die when sprayed.  I 
> > just find a lot of weeds to work on...BTW it's pretty much perennials and 
> > sod I spray, the former since there are few better options, the later to 
> > save time and get more done.  Sheet mulch would probably work on some of 
> > these, but certainly not all.
>
> So you're spraying it on annualls?? Not just poison ivy or Bermuda grass?
> You must be out of your mind to contaminate your soil with this 
> corporate-sponsored, corporate-benefitting poison. What about your ground 
> water, the the soil food web?

I haven't sprayed any annuals except incidentally.  I have use all of one 
pint of concentrate this year.

> I am so damn sick of hearing people talking blithely about using Roudup on 
> their land over the years all over the Internet, debating with these idiots,
> hearing their mindless lemming airhead ignorance of what they're actually 
> doing.

Deep breath Larry.  I have looked into this fairy deeply and simply don't 
worry about it any more.  Given all the leaky hydraulic systems and drippy 
engines I see on organic farms I would guess I'm doing less damage to the 
soil than those folks.  I have yet to see anyone provide any real evidence 
that glphophate is all that bad, and frankly get damn sick of the purist 
extremists off all stripes, green, red, GOP, religious etc.  We all make 
choices, some better than others.  My choice is to spray a little poison 
and get a lot more done than if I do it all manually.  Don't like 
it?  DON'T DO IT!

> Just say NO to ALL PESTICIDES. Work harder and learn to use and invent 
> innovative biological control methods. Use tillage on weeds, mulch, 
> competing crops.

Thanks, I'll just have myself cloned and print my own money for all the 
gear...


> Pesticide use is like a disease, a lazy man's disease, atrophy of the mind,
> the end of creativity and curiosity about how things works, what Nature is
> and whst it is capable of without human intervention.

Right, I'll just let the deadly nightshade run over the whole farm.  Took 
about 4 hours to pull 80% of it out of 30 meters of tree line this spring, 
and guess what?  The remaining 20% regenerated nicely.  I'll spray it next 
spring, probably twice and be done in 15 minutes.  If thats lazy, fine, I'm 
lazy.

> Go meditate Mark. Think Green!

It's a free country, I'll do as I damn well please.
Mark

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Mark P. Ludwig
Poultry Research Lab
University of Wisconsin -Madison
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