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  • From: Stephanie Gerson <sgerson@stanfordalumni.org>
  • To: Permaculture Plant Database <pcplantdb@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [pcplantdb] Synth, comments, etc
  • Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 14:56:48 -0800

Wonderful, Scott.

I'm curious to hear about Dahlgrin.

Also, I think Bear mentioned Groxis - are all of us familiar with this
initiative? Bear, how is Groxis similar to or different from what we are
trying to achieve? Learning/collaboration possibilities?

Maybe one of us (Johns?) should do some research on what already exists
that's similar to hg. This is actually super important, and would be
very helpful. Johns, are you willing?

thanks,
*Stephanie

------ Original Message ------
Received: 07:58 AM PST, 12/10/2004
From: Scott Pittman <pci@permaculture-inst.org>
To: Permaculture Plant Database <pcplantdb@lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: Re: [pcplantdb] Synth, comments, etc

Stephanie Gerson wrote:

>YESYESYES!
>
>Bear wrote, "Where do you draw the boundary on a system. Do you count
the
>intestinal micro-fauna of a chicken as part of the system. If you do,
>can you lump the lower details together into a higher system level, and
>what kind of search function would do that. Items have constraints
>(only grows in Sunset Zones 1,2,5-7). I'm wondering if there is or are
>ways to represent this like a UML diagram or some such."
>
>This relates to the levels of zoom I just asked about - zooms like
>lenses, a spectrum from a microscope to human eye scale (and further
>perhaps) - ya dig?
>
>Bear also wrote, "There was a semantic network project I was looking at
>once. The nodes consisted of words. A large number of people were given
a
>random pairing of words, and asked to rank how similar or different they
>were. This information weighted the connections between the nodes, which
>when arranged using Elastic Interval Geometry (the rubber-band networks
>that TouchGraph[?] et al use), would lump into related clusters of
words.
>I wonder the "Interaction Matrix of Two Species" (table 3.5 page 62 of
>the DM) could be used for a system like that. Would it just require a 1
>to 1 table with columns for the rankings? You'd need another to store
>the individual rank, source, and comments that are averaged into the
>main table."
>
>Beautiful again. Ecological networks aren't flat democracies. Things *
>are* weighted. Just tough when we have to assign the weights ourselves,
>but perhaps if we create algorithms (using Elastic Interval Geometry -
>wow, what is that?) it will be easier and more meaningful?
>
>"Let me know if all this talk hinders development."
>
>No way, man. Keep talking.
>
>peace
>*s
>
>
>
>+++++++++++++++
>Stephanie Gerson
>sgerson@stanfordalumni.org
>(c) 415.871.5683
>
>
>
Many moons ago I suggested that we look at Dahlgrin's bubble charts of
plant tribes as one way of graphically representing our guild, a guild
is essentially the extended tribe that Dahlgrin described. I will try
to did up some old Dalgrin charts and see if I can scan them for your
further edification.
Scott
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