Mark,
As far as I know these sub-par Sweet Sixteens and Keepsakes were still
grown around the Puget Sound area here in western Washington. My best
guess is that they had too much shade either from the tree that they were on or
from surrounding trees. I've had Keepsake at my place here at about 30 -
35 miles south of Seattle where they happened to be too shaded and they weren't
that good either. Where we live the latitude isn't what makes the
difference because we are south of Wenatchee (latitude wise) but they can grow
the Fujis and other late ripening varieties and we generally can't ripen them
here. We have the maritime climate because we are so close to the Puget
Sound water and the Pacific Ocean influence. The Cascade Mountains are
between us and Wenatchee in eastern Washington.
I did a search in old e-mails from Ed Fackler and here is what he had
reported on for 1999:
Best apples for the 99
season (So. Indiana with a season of record heat and
drought)
1.
GoldRush 2.
Suncrisp 3. Delbard
Estivale 4.
NovaSpy 5. Stellar
6. Scarlet O'Hara
Worst apples of the
season (due primarily to the intense heat)
1. Jonagold (soft flesh and weak flavor)'
2. Mutsu (much bitter pit) 3. Sweet 16
(soft flesh)
Have you tried the varieties that he said have done well for him? I
have a lot of respect for Ed. He knows his apples
Bob Hartman
Western Washington
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Bob,
Do you know where the sub-quality Sweet 16 &
Keepsake were grown? In other words how far south were they
grown? I would like to grow some good tasting apples down here
in Kansas but we seem to be in the wrong location for growing any really
good apples. I've heard were too far south for some of those great
Minnesota apples (Keepsake, Honeycrisp, although I did plant a Sweet
16.) But supposedly they get mushy, drop, won't produce, or are just not
very good quality with our hot summers (the Missouri extension doesn't
even recommend Jonagold-another favorite-as it's too hot for it.) But I
think we're too far north for Fuji, Pink Lady. They take 200 days to
mature and I don't think we have quite that many growing days here, although I
don't know how to calculate growing days. Ed Fackler once wrote he had
180 growing days in S. Indiana. I don't know how far south his orchard
was, but I'm guessing it was close to my latitude, which is just south of
Kansas City. I'm really looking for some apples which taste like-in
order of preference- Honeycrisp, Fuji, or Pink Lady that have a similar
crispness, which can be grown here. I think we're
considered more or less on the Mason-Dixon line at 39 degrees
latitude.
Mark
In no-man's land
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob
Hartman
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 2:42
PM
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Keepsake is also one of my favorite apples. It does well here in
western Washington. It won't ripen well unless you have full sun on it
in the September/October time of the year. Honeycrisp also does well
here. It is very nice and crisp but doesn't match up with it's parent,
Keepsake, in flavor. I also like the full flavored Sweet Sixteen, a
sister to Keepsake, but it tends to not hold it's crispness very long.
I have seen and tasted Keepsake and Sweet Sixteen at fruit shows that
were not grown very well and didn't have the flavor that I can grow them
to. Under what conditions fruits have been grown makes a world of
difference in how they taste.
Bob Hartman
Western Washington
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Here in the "far north" (southern MN) I look forward every
year to the Keepsake apples. They are very crisp and sweet and
have a lot more flavor than Honeycrisp. They tend to be small in
size and I think that's why they aren't more popular. Kathryn
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Message----- From: nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org]On
Behalf Of Michael Nave Sent: 10/21/2007 8:46 PM To: North American
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I've had honeycrisp apples from many sources and
I've only had one bad one. But I've never had a great one either and
I suspect I never will. Honeycrisp is known for being a great apple
compared to other apples grown in far northern areas. The University of
MN has been very clear in stating that it is one of the best appples
for growers in the northern limits of apple growing range. I have never
seen them claim that it is a great apple compared to all other
apples. Nonetheless it is now being promoted and hyped excessively
by some growers, especially in parts of New York state, far beyond
anything that UM ever intended, such as "the best apple ever". It's not
even in the ballpark for being the best apple ever. But it will
continue to be hyped by those who have financial inetrests in
it.
--- George Brinson <george.brinson@nf.sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
Interesting point on Honeycrisp..............I have > eaten
honeycrisp > purchased at major supermarket outlets, from
several > sources in eastern > Canada/USA and in all cases the
taste is > horrible..........I will not try > this apple
again. Not really crisp, and honey - > forget it!! > >
George Brinson > Carmanville > NL > > -----
Original Message ----- > From: "William C. Garthright" <billg@inebraska.com> > To:
"North American Fruit Explorers" > <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org> >
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 1:57 PM > Subject: Re: [NAFEX] best
apples article > > > > > > >
> Someone mentioned Honeycrisp as a good storage > apple that
keeps its > > crunch- maybe in CO2 storage but not out of
my > cellar! > > > This is disappointing, because
it's one of the > varieties I planted, just > for that reason
(and because I like the taste, at > least in grocery store >
apples). I've since discovered that it supposedly > tastes best when
there > are cool nights when it ripens, so maybe this was a >
bad pick for two > reasons. > > >
Thanks, > > Bill > Lincoln, NE (zone 5) > >
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