Big thanks Bob. Good information. The opinions
are so varied on apple recommendations, sometimes you don't know who to listen
to. I guess I've tried to pay close attention to Ed Fackler's
advice. He has a reputation for not letting nostalgia bias his
observations. And anybody who's raised 700 varieties of apples knows
a thing or two. The thing I don't know is if his tastes are anything
like mine. Probably not, I think I have more of a kid's palate. From
what I've tasted, I like a real crisp sweet apple, as I said, like a Honeycrisp
or Fuji. Some complexity, but more on the sweet end. Can't stand a
Mac, too tart. Would you say any of those six heat friendly
apples fit that description, sweet and crisp?
Mark
----- Original Message -----
From:
Bob Hartman
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 6:56
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Mark,
As far as I know these sub-par Sweet Sixteens and Keepsakes were still
grown around the Puget Sound area here in western Washington. My best
guess is that they had too much shade either from the tree that they were on
or from surrounding trees. I've had Keepsake at my place here at about
30 - 35 miles south of Seattle where they happened to be too shaded and they
weren't that good either. Where we live the latitude isn't what makes
the difference because we are south of Wenatchee (latitude wise) but they can
grow the Fujis and other late ripening varieties and we generally can't ripen
them here. We have the maritime climate because we are so close to the
Puget Sound water and the Pacific Ocean influence. The Cascade Mountains
are between us and Wenatchee in eastern Washington.
I did a search in old e-mails from Ed Fackler and here is what he had
reported on for 1999:
Best apples for the
99 season (So. Indiana with a season of record heat and
drought)
1.
GoldRush 2.
Suncrisp 3. Delbard
Estivale 4.
NovaSpy 5.
Stellar 6. Scarlet
O'Hara
Worst apples of the season (due
primarily to the intense heat)
1.
Jonagold (soft flesh and weak flavor)' 2.
Mutsu (much bitter pit) 3. Sweet 16 (soft
flesh)
Have you tried the varieties that he said have done well for him? I
have a lot of respect for Ed. He knows his apples
Bob Hartman
Western Washington
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Bob,
Do you know where the sub-quality Sweet 16 &
Keepsake were grown? In other words how far south were they
grown? I would like to grow some good tasting apples down
here in Kansas but we seem to be in the wrong location for growing any
really good apples. I've heard were too far south for some of those
great Minnesota apples (Keepsake, Honeycrisp, although I did plant a Sweet
16.) But supposedly they get mushy, drop, won't produce, or are just
not very good quality with our hot summers (the Missouri extension
doesn't even recommend Jonagold-another favorite-as it's too hot for
it.) But I think we're too far north for Fuji, Pink Lady. They
take 200 days to mature and I don't think we have quite that many growing
days here, although I don't know how to calculate growing days. Ed
Fackler once wrote he had 180 growing days in S. Indiana. I don't know
how far south his orchard was, but I'm guessing it was close to my latitude,
which is just south of Kansas City. I'm really looking for some
apples which taste like-in order of preference- Honeycrisp, Fuji, or
Pink Lady that have a similar crispness, which can be grown
here. I think we're considered more or less on the
Mason-Dixon line at 39 degrees latitude.
Mark
In no-man's land
----- Original Message -----
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Hartman
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 2:42
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Keepsake is also one of my favorite apples. It does well here
in western Washington. It won't ripen well unless you have full sun
on it in the September/October time of the year. Honeycrisp also
does well here. It is very nice and crisp but doesn't match up with
it's parent, Keepsake, in flavor. I also like the full flavored
Sweet Sixteen, a sister to Keepsake, but it tends to not hold it's
crispness very long.
I have seen and tasted Keepsake and Sweet Sixteen at fruit shows that
were not grown very well and didn't have the flavor that I can grow them
to. Under what conditions fruits have been grown makes a world of
difference in how they taste.
Bob Hartman
Western Washington
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Here in the "far north" (southern MN) I look forward
every year to the Keepsake apples. They are very crisp and
sweet and have a lot more flavor than Honeycrisp. They tend to
be small in size and I think that's why they aren't more
popular. Kathryn Mathews
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-----Original Message----- From: nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org]On
Behalf Of Michael Nave Sent: 10/21/2007 8:46 PM To: North American
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I've had honeycrisp apples from many sources and
I've only had one bad one. But I've never had a great one either
and I suspect I never will. Honeycrisp is known for being a great
apple compared to other apples grown in far northern areas. The
University of MN has been very clear in stating that it is one of the
best appples for growers in the northern limits of apple growing
range. I have never seen them claim that it is a great apple compared
to all other apples. Nonetheless it is now being promoted and
hyped excessively by some growers, especially in parts of New York
state, far beyond anything that UM ever intended, such as "the best
apple ever". It's not even in the ballpark for being the best apple
ever. But it will continue to be hyped by those who have
financial inetrests in it.
--- George Brinson <george.brinson@nf.sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
Interesting point on Honeycrisp..............I have > eaten
honeycrisp > purchased at major supermarket outlets, from
several > sources in eastern > Canada/USA and in all cases
the taste is > horrible..........I will not try > this apple
again. Not really crisp, and honey - > forget it!! > >
George Brinson > Carmanville > NL > > -----
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To: "North American Fruit Explorers" > <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org> >
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 1:57 PM > Subject: Re: [NAFEX] best
apples article > > > > > > >
> Someone mentioned Honeycrisp as a good storage > apple that
keeps its > > crunch- maybe in CO2 storage but not out of
my > cellar! > > > This is disappointing,
because it's one of the > varieties I planted, just > for
that reason (and because I like the taste, at > least in grocery
store > apples). I've since discovered that it supposedly >
tastes best when there > are cool nights when it ripens, so maybe
this was a > bad pick for two >
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