Mark,
I can only judge them by how they have been here (in western
Washington). As I recall Gold Rush and Nova Spy fit that
description. I just went out with my flashlight and picked a Nova Spy and
a Gold Rush. The Nova Spy that I picked wasn't quite ripe enough.
The Gold Rush was quite good. As they are grown here and to my taste buds
as I recall from last year Suncrisp, Stellar, and Scarlet O'Hara had a little
more tartness but I can still eat them. I didn't get any Delbard Estivale
last year. I hope to taste it this year. Gold Rush is definitely
crisp and sweet.
As you can see I made it a point to obtain these varieties to try here
because they were on Ed's "best" list someplace. All these tend to ripen
very late here in our climate. Your best bet is to try them there and see
how they do. What I do is obtain different varieties that "sound good" and
give them a try and if they don't work out here I have a friendly chipper and
they are added back to the soil. One of the problems we have here is scab
and I still have some varieties that are susceptible to scab that I need to get
rid of. I just ate an Orei today that was delicious but you have to spray
for scab. If you don't have the scab problem you might try Pink
Sugar. It ripens late here and is very sweet and crisp but I don't
know how it would do in a warm climate.
Bob
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Big thanks Bob. Good information. The
opinions are so varied on apple recommendations, sometimes you don't know who
to listen to. I guess I've tried to pay close attention to Ed Fackler's
advice. He has a reputation for not letting nostalgia bias his
observations. And anybody who's raised 700 varieties of apples
knows a thing or two. The thing I don't know is if his tastes are
anything like mine. Probably not, I think I have more of a kid's
palate. From what I've tasted, I like a real crisp sweet apple, as I
said, like a Honeycrisp or Fuji. Some complexity, but more on the sweet
end. Can't stand a Mac, too tart. Would you say any of those
six heat friendly apples fit that description, sweet and
crisp?
Mark
----- Original Message -----
From:
Bob Hartman
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 6:56
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Mark,
As far as I know these sub-par Sweet Sixteens and Keepsakes were still
grown around the Puget Sound area here in western Washington. My best
guess is that they had too much shade either from the tree that they were on
or from surrounding trees. I've had Keepsake at my place here at about
30 - 35 miles south of Seattle where they happened to be too shaded and they
weren't that good either. Where we live the latitude isn't what makes
the difference because we are south of Wenatchee (latitude wise) but they
can grow the Fujis and other late ripening varieties and we generally can't
ripen them here. We have the maritime climate because we are so close
to the Puget Sound water and the Pacific Ocean influence. The Cascade
Mountains are between us and Wenatchee in eastern Washington.
I did a search in old e-mails from Ed Fackler and here is what he had
reported on for 1999:
Best apples for the
99 season (So. Indiana with a season of record heat and
drought)
1.
GoldRush 2.
Suncrisp 3. Delbard
Estivale 4.
NovaSpy 5.
Stellar 6. Scarlet
O'Hara
Worst apples of the season (due
primarily to the intense heat)
1.
Jonagold (soft flesh and weak flavor)' 2.
Mutsu (much bitter pit) 3. Sweet 16 (soft
flesh)
Have you tried the varieties that he said have done well for him?
I have a lot of respect for Ed. He knows his apples
Bob Hartman
Western Washington
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Bob,
Do you know where the sub-quality Sweet 16 &
Keepsake were grown? In other words how far south were they
grown? I would like to grow some good tasting apples down
here in Kansas but we seem to be in the wrong location for growing
any really good apples. I've heard were too far south for some of
those great Minnesota apples (Keepsake, Honeycrisp, although I did plant a
Sweet 16.) But supposedly they get mushy, drop, won't produce, or
are just not very good quality with our hot summers (the Missouri
extension doesn't even recommend Jonagold-another favorite-as it's too hot
for it.) But I think we're too far north for Fuji, Pink Lady.
They take 200 days to mature and I don't think we have quite that many
growing days here, although I don't know how to calculate growing
days. Ed Fackler once wrote he had 180 growing days in S.
Indiana. I don't know how far south his orchard was, but I'm
guessing it was close to my latitude, which is just south of Kansas
City. I'm really looking for some apples which taste like-in
order of preference- Honeycrisp, Fuji, or Pink Lady that have a similar
crispness, which can be grown here. I think we're
considered more or less on the Mason-Dixon line at 39 degrees
latitude.
Mark
In no-man's land
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob
Hartman
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 2:42
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Keepsake is also one of my favorite apples. It does well here
in western Washington. It won't ripen well unless you have full
sun on it in the September/October time of the year. Honeycrisp
also does well here. It is very nice and crisp but doesn't match
up with it's parent, Keepsake, in flavor. I also like the full
flavored Sweet Sixteen, a sister to Keepsake, but it tends to not hold
it's crispness very long.
I have seen and tasted Keepsake and Sweet Sixteen at fruit shows
that were not grown very well and didn't have the flavor that I can grow
them to. Under what conditions fruits have been grown makes a
world of difference in how they taste.
Bob Hartman
Western Washington
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Here in the "far north" (southern MN) I look forward
every year to the Keepsake apples. They are very crisp and
sweet and have a lot more flavor than Honeycrisp. They tend
to be small in size and I think that's why they aren't more
popular. Kathryn Mathews
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Behalf Of Michael Nave Sent: 10/21/2007 8:46 PM To: North
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I've had honeycrisp apples from many sources and
I've only had one bad one. But I've never had a great one either
and I suspect I never will. Honeycrisp is known for being a great
apple compared to other apples grown in far northern areas. The
University of MN has been very clear in stating that it is one of
the best appples for growers in the northern limits of
apple growing range. I have never seen them claim that it is a
great apple compared to all other apples. Nonetheless it is now
being promoted and hyped excessively by some growers, especially in
parts of New York state, far beyond anything that UM
ever intended, such as "the best apple ever". It's not even in
the ballpark for being the best apple ever. But it will continue to
be hyped by those who have financial inetrests in
it.
--- George Brinson <george.brinson@nf.sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
Interesting point on Honeycrisp..............I have > eaten
honeycrisp > purchased at major supermarket outlets, from
several > sources in eastern > Canada/USA and in all cases
the taste is > horrible..........I will not try > this
apple again. Not really crisp, and honey - > forget
it!! > > George Brinson > Carmanville >
NL > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William
C. Garthright" <billg@inebraska.com> >
To: "North American Fruit Explorers" > <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org> >
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 1:57 PM > Subject: Re: [NAFEX]
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article > > > > > > > >
Someone mentioned Honeycrisp as a good storage > apple that
keeps its > > crunch- maybe in CO2 storage but not out of
my > cellar! > > > This is disappointing,
because it's one of the > varieties I planted, just > for
that reason (and because I like the taste, at > least in grocery
store > apples). I've since discovered that it
supposedly > tastes best when there > are cool nights when
it ripens, so maybe this was a > bad pick for two >
reasons. > > > Thanks, > > Bill >
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