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[Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com>]

"I agree, and like I said, too, I think the group is almost intentionally 
leaderless to avoid something like what I call the Palin effect.  Anyone 
who steps up to say anything against Pelosi et all get shot down pretty 
quickly, then hounded for months on end."

It isn't so much that it is intentional - it is that there are so many 
different groups are really pissed off and joining in on similar dates in 
order to have more impact.
Some are grass roots.  There are a lot of people in small towns doing their 
own thing in the same direction of Tea Party idea.  And there are many 
different unafilliated Tea Party groups that aren't related to the one that 
was one of many organizing groups of the DC912 event.
Some have some sort of leadership/organization - groups that have been 
established for years to decades.  I.E. John Birch Society, Restore the 
Republic, etc..

Participants come from a lot of parties.  2 of 4 in my car were Democrats.  
I'm a Libertarian.  I didn't catch what the 3rd was, either an Independent or 
Republican.  I like to walk the crowds and canvass the crowds....  all 
parties are there.   For some the sentiment is to just toss out the Dems.  
The majority want both parties out - or at least only vote in people who will 
sign a contract agreeing to only pass legislation authorized by the 
Constitution etc.

C-SPAN filmed the event.  There were definitely more than "thousands" or 
"tens of thousands" there.  The main stream media is LYING. 
The entire mall, and quite a few side streets were packed.  PLUS, there were 
200 concurrent events held in 45 states across the country.

From what I recall, Glenn Beck came up with the idea of the 912 March on 
DC......... and then multiple groups jumped in on the bandwagon.

Lynn:  "I think that the whole movement will fall apart once a leader emerges 
because the 'platform' will be more specific "

The platform already is specific  and muli-faceted <VBG> but you won't hear 
what it is from MSM or the White House.  The MSM and the White House and 
Congress are marginalizing and ridiculing what is going on in an attempt to 
keep people from being curious about what the platform is....

Bev:  "...then hounded for months on end."

Hounded?  It is far worse than that.  We are being investigated as terrorists.


 

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From: EarthNSky erthnsky AT bellsouth.net


Lynn Wigglesworth wrote:
> Bev; I think you are right about the supporters not being just republicans. 
> A lot of people are unhappy with the direction the country is 
> taking....they 
> can agree on that. I agree with that, but then you have people like Glenn 
> Beck trying to take credit for it....that turns off a lot of people who 
> aren't far right. I think that the whole movement will fall apart once a 
> leader emerges because the 'platform' will be more specific and not 
> everyone 
> will like it...if it's too far right, they'll lose the left, too far left, 
> they'll lose the right. Even a consitutionalist like Ron Paul would lose 
> some people.
> 
> Lynn Wigglesworth


I agree, and like I said, too, I think the group is almost intentionally 
leaderless to avoid something like what I call the Palin effect.  Anyone 
who steps up to say anything against Pelosi et all get shot down pretty 
quickly, then hounded for months on end.
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There hasn't been anything on "free tv" out here.
We don't have cable.


What did Stephanopoulos say about the size of the rallies?  What was the 
estimated size he  reported?

The headlines I saw before my internet dropped until tonight was thousands to 
tens of thousands, which is an obvious under-statement based on photos.

The problem is you can report a story with a headline that says "thousands 
protested", or "tens of thousands protested",,,,,,,,,, and that description 
marginalizes the event.................. Now a headline that says "millions 
protested in DC, plus in 200 other cities" makes quite a different statement. 
 Yet you can get away with stating you printed an article.



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> Stephanopoulos said that you can't ignore an opposition of this
> size. I just don't see where it's not being covered.
> 
> Rob -Va
> 



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Take a look at the photos, especially the aerials of multiple streets.  Then 
compare those to the photos from the inaguration and the reports on crowd 
size for the inauguration.  You will see the discrepancy.  

All I can say is the events I have attended and photographed and personally 
knew what the head count was --- the media reported 1/10th of the attendance.





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From: Lynn Wigglesworth lynnw1366 AT hotmail.com

http://www.fireandreamitchell.com/2009/09/12/912-march-on-dc-teaparty-highlights/
>"912 March on DC Early reportsfrom ABC and Fox are that >the total turnout 
>was around 2 million, despite the lousy >weather, and despite the blackout 
>from the media about this. >(ooops, I said blackout, is this racist?)"

Always check your sources. Neither ABC nor Fox News said "2 million."  Not 
that there couldn't have been that many...looks like a lot of people to me, 
but "tens of thousands" seems to be the concensus.

I support the Tea Parties, but I HATE lying and misrepresenting the facts, 
and there is a lot of that going around. (I have a whole list of Sources Who 
Can't be Trusted). Looks like that site got their facts wrong.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/protest-crowd-size-estimate-falsely-attributed-abc-news/story?id=8558055
ABC News Was Misquoted on Crowd Size
ABC News Reported D.C. Rally Size in Tens of Thousands, Not 1M to 1.5M as 
Activist Said.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/12/tea-party-express-arrives-march-washington-protest-government-spending/?test=health
Fox News:
"The tens of thousands of protesters marched to the U.S. Capitol chanting 
various slogans and waving posters that voiced a rather broad array of 
grievances against big government and the leaders, particularly President 
Obama, who the protesters blame for its size and scope."

Lynn Wigglesworth 

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Robert Walton wrote:
> It's strange to me that we make illegal immigrants an issue in the 
> health reform debate. It seems more logical to have an immigration 
> debate to discuss illegals.


I don't know about other areas, but here is what the illegals do here, and 
why it is part of the healthcare debate.

They get injured in Mexico, hop in a care and drive up to the only hospital 
in this county.  Gov't rules, the ER can't turn anyone away.
They don't pay, go back home, and the local hospital looses $$$.  The 
hospital admin said $13Million just last year.

The reason it is part of the debate........... is because while the bill 
states illegals can't buy into Obamacare,.... why would they want to buy 
Obamacare -  they can still get care for free in the ER!!!

There is no mechanism to stop taxpayers paying for illegals getting care in 
the E.R.s. in the first place --- something that needs to be reformed.



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I could cite a zillion examples of lack of decorum, including those Drew
cited in an email recently...(I personally think making fun of a
candidate's haircut or clothing is also in poor taste and fits the
category), but here we go again.  IMO, President Obama needs to put a
hiatus on the attack on Wilson.  Now that the shoe in in the other
mouth, perhaps he will...

This country definitely needs a refresher course in decorum...

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/15/obama-calls-kanye-west-jackass/

> President Barack Obama called hip-hop musician Kanye West a "jackass"
>  on Monday in an off-the-record comment during an interview with
> CNBC, an ABC News anchor reported on Twitter.

BTW, I agree with the President on this one.  I did not even know who
they were(Kanye and Taylor), but now I am up to speed and this guy was a
real jerk.  I hope for his sake this was alcohol talking and not him
personally.  He needs treatment of some sort.  Stepping on a kitten was
a good analogy...just my off topic opinion.

Beyonce, however, is a class act.

B, who wonders why CNN is not telling this story or the revelations
about ACORN.

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