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[Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com>]

JAMES ~  Please don't give the government any more whacky ideas than they 
already have....
 
They also probably hadn't thought off taxing us if we pump our own gas... or 
taxing us if we prepare our own meals............... because the excuse will 
be that if we do that we are preventing someone else from having a job, 
therefore we should pay more tax so they can stay home unemployed !!!
 
Actually, I just came across (and I think this is the 2nd time now) something 
about a Clean Water Act bill ............ and the wolf cryers claim that it 
will give government control over all water, and hence all food production, 
even on private small farms......
 
What say ya'll on that one?  I'm not really familiar with it.
 
 
I can fully empathsize with my ex-inlaws when they faced the difficult 
ripping apart faimily decision of staying in Cuba as Castro came into power, 
or flee....  Only now, where does one flee to? 
 

--- On Sat, 8/1/09, Clansgian AT wmconnect.com <Clansgian AT wmconnect.com> wrote:




These two observations by Lynn and Marie perfectly illustrate my point that 
the 'health care' system is already 85% (or more) run by the government.

(Lynn)
>We could be forced to participate. Right now, no one cares that I have no 
health insurance.

(Marie)
> >Fortunately, you can all abstain from using the healthcare system and
> won't need to worry about it.
> 

Exactly.  'Health care' is all bundled into one lock-box and is controlled 
by the government at the behest and for the benefit of the AMA, 
pharmaceutical companies, etc.  You options are to pay tribute to this 
government 
endorsed and enforced medical system or die.  That's it, no competition, no 
middle 
ground, no compromise, etc.

Those of you who have had to take care of a pallative patient know what a 
'chucks' is.  Essentially a large pad make of the same material as a 
disposable diaper that you put under a patient who might be bleeding, 
incontinent, 
etc. to make it easier to clean the bed and the patient in the normal course 
of things.  At a retail hospital supply store, subject to market forces of 
competiton, you can get them for about twenty cents each in bulk.  The 
hopsital typically charges $20 and I've seen medical bills where they were 
charged 
at $95.  The same Deer Park bottled water you can get at the grocery store 
for 75 cents showed up on a medical bill as $40.

They can get by with this because you are held ransom that if you want, for 
example, the cardiologist to make a decision as to the medication indicated 
for the patient, you have to agree to pay for any $40 bottles of water and 
any other such outrageous fee that appears on the medical bill.  You are 
held ransom and do not hvae free access to the medical services you want and 
would otherwise pay for.

Medical services, pharmaceuticals, medical supplies that if they were 
subject to real market pressures would be commonly cheap are put into the 
monopoly lock box of 'health care' and the sick are held ransom to pay 
whatever 
shows up on the bill .... or die.

If food were managed like health care, it would be illegal for you to grow 
and process your own food.  Food could only be obtained from licensed 
restaurants.  The only thing on the menu would be lobster and fillet and if 
you 
couldn't pay for that, you just go away and starve.  The rationale would be 
that if you were left to make your own food choices, you  might poison 
yourself so it has to be managed by professionals.

If transportation were managed like health care, you could only drive a 
brand new vehicle and you could not pump your gas, change your oil, nor put 
air 
into your tires.  After all you might make a mistake and cause an accident. 
It'd be either pay 1/2 you income for the privelege of transportation or 
walk, only those two choices.


James
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Lynn

You don't see Dr. Wilson, by chance, do you?

He should have retired by now, but I loved having him for my kiddos'
doctor.  A GP who still delivered babies (when my third was born.)

Cathy

On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 6:30 PM, Lynn Wigglesworth 
<lynnw1366 AT hotmail.com>wrote:

> There are still doctors who are reasonable. Mine charged a $32 office visit
> fee and gave me free samples of medication for a sinus infection. He
> knew...he mentioned that I was near 50 (at the time) and should have
> blah-blah tests done, but said... "I guess I won't see you again until you
> need me, huh?"
>
> My mother has been in the hospital three times in the past year, every one
> a
> horrible experience, and the only way they will ever get me admitted is
> unconscious, and I'm thinking of getting Leslie's "don't you dare touch me"
> tattoo.
>
> Lynn Wigglesworth
> Tioga Co. PA
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