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[Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com>]

Phew !!!  I was hoping that was a typo ~~  I didn't catch the tongue in cheek 
part :-)
 
 
If I could only figure out a way to live 100% without cash............. I'd 
close my checking account on passage of that bill. 
 
 
 
--- On Sat, 8/1/09, DSanner106 AT aol.com <DSanner106 AT aol.com> wrote:



yeah, I admit, I was being a bit tongue in cheek when I said that. It is  
the worst thing that could happen to
us.

Drew


In a message dated 8/1/2009 4:49:13 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
cayadopi AT yahoo.com writes:

Drew,  are you stating that it is UNfortunate that people do not want to 
turn over  our
bank accounts to Obama-gov and let them dole out our healthcare to  us.

I for one object to the Obama-gov having the right to access  my bank 
account.

Talk about a reason for a huge black market  to  materialize.............



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I sure hope not.   They'll probably have to put me in jail if they are going 
to force me to have screenings and shots.  Don't people understand that 
forcing flu shots on people is a TRANSFER OF WEALTH to big corporations by 
USE OF FORCE called Obamacare?    What's wrong with people?
 
 
 
The last time I had a need to see a doc was due to an accident when my knee 
got ripped apart (no 3rd party involved).  It took me 6 months of delays 
CAUSED by the government middleman to get to the point to have my surgery 
(even though there was a slot open the next day...), since they kept telling 
BCBS that I hadn't paid my COBRA premiums, when in fact I actually was paid 
up 3 months in advance.... always every month, cancelled checks to prove.  
Meanwhile, the delays caused by government incompentency caused me even more 
knee damage.  Can we sue the government, of course not..............  I 
actually have contacted a dozen attorneys and can't get one to take the case.
 
The time before that, was in 2002, when I had a minor blood clot, Rx, bed 
rest & heating pad and some aspirin.  Before that, was in 1999 just to have a 
I'm turning 40 type major physical,,,, only to find out I'm super healthy 
(DUH) and didn't need to have a phyiscal to begin with.
 
All of the above cost at "full retail prices" all of about $6k.  In premiums 
over the same time period........9 years at an average of over $500 a 
month.... more than $45,000.  Oh, and I'm one of those "fat people" the 
insurance companies (and I would venture the government next) want to 
discriminate against to boot and force higher premiums on....  LOL.  I can't 
run anymore, and I've lost muscle strength since the knee accident, but up 
until 2 years ago I could bicycle and actually keep up with those strong 
biker guys in spandex..... (and I'm getting close to 55 now).
 
I don't know why people feel they should care if someone does or doesn't have 
insurance as long as those people don't expect free medical care, or medical 
care paid for by others (same thing).
 
Use of force is wrong.  
 
 
 

--- On Sat, 8/1/09, Lynn Wigglesworth <lynnw1366 AT hotmail.com> wrote:

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I've read that it could become mandatory for everyone to have health 
insurance. I hope that isn't true. First it will be mandatory to HAVE it, 
then it will become mandatory to USE it...forced screenings, flu shots, etc.

Lynn Wigglesworth
Tioga Co. PA 

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These two observations by Lynn and Marie perfectly illustrate my point that
the 'health care' system is already 85% (or more) run by the government.

(Lynn)
>We could be forced to participate. Right now, no one cares that I have no
health insurance.

(Marie)
> >Fortunately, you can all abstain from using the healthcare system and
> won't need to worry about it.
>

Exactly.  'Health care' is all bundled into one lock-box and is controlled
by the government at the behest and for the benefit of the AMA,
pharmaceutical companies, etc.  You options are to pay tribute to this 
government
endorsed and enforced medical system or die.  That's it, no competition, no 
middle
ground, no compromise, etc.

Those of you who have had to take care of a pallative patient know what a
'chucks' is.  Essentially a large pad make of the same material as a
disposable diaper that you put under a patient who might be bleeding, 
incontinent,
etc. to make it easier to clean the bed and the patient in the normal course
of things.  At a retail hospital supply store, subject to market forces of
competiton, you can get them for about twenty cents each in bulk.  The
hopsital typically charges $20 and I've seen medical bills where they were 
charged
at $95.  The same Deer Park bottled water you can get at the grocery store
for 75 cents showed up on a medical bill as $40.

They can get by with this because you are held ransom that if you want, for
example, the cardiologist to make a decision as to the medication indicated
for the patient, you have to agree to pay for any $40 bottles of water and
any other such outrageous fee that appears on the medical bill.  You are
held ransom and do not hvae free access to the medical services you want and
would otherwise pay for.

Medical services, pharmaceuticals, medical supplies that if they were
subject to real market pressures would be commonly cheap are put into the
monopoly lock box of 'health care' and the sick are held ransom to pay 
whatever
shows up on the bill .... or die.

If food were managed like health care, it would be illegal for you to grow
and process your own food.  Food could only be obtained from licensed
restaurants.  The only thing on the menu would be lobster and fillet and if 
you
couldn't pay for that, you just go away and starve.  The rationale would be
that if you were left to make your own food choices, you  might poison
yourself so it has to be managed by professionals.

If transportation were managed like health care, you could only drive a
brand new vehicle and you could not pump your gas, change your oil, nor put 
air
into your tires.  After all you might make a mistake and cause an accident.
 It'd be either pay 1/2 you income for the privelege of transportation or
walk, only those two choices.


James