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[Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com>]

I'm looking out my window at my weed covered sandy desert land.... and 
smiling and thinking "what pasture?"   I will try to find out from the 
"earthship" guy if his pigs, when he had them, ate the typical desert weeds.  
Although I can see he kept them in a rather small penned area.
 
I could grow corn and other crops for them, although suspect it would be wise 
to buy commercial feed the first year until I figure out how much to grow.  
The learning curve thing.
 
If the agri-biz model broke down, t's hard to say how far the hungry would 
travel looking for food.  I clearly wouldn't want to be in a city or even a 
small town.  The illegals walk thru the desert many many miles going to 
wherever they are headed.  Others of course would have cars, etc.
 
All I know is, I hope I'm far enough away.  My gardens sites selection are 
well concealed from the road view, as will be the chicken coop, and any other 
animal pens.  Only old cars are visible.
 
 
Oh,,,,,,,,,,, I've seen some people post they can 1000s of jars of food a 
year.  For how many people is that?  And is that 1000 jars eaten every year, 
or is there a rotatation going on where food grown one year is to cover 2 
years of eating or what....
 
I've decked out an area in the airplane hanger for my canned goods.
 
Also, I talked the the "earthship" guy about his desert "root cellar".  He 
says the temps are much cooler than I would get in the garage to store things 
in - however --- for storing potatos it doesn't work and they sprout.  I 
mentioned canned goods, and he was very postive on that.  He built the walls 
and with used tires.
 
I asked him where he got the tires.  A local tire store, paid him to accept 
delivery of them.  He received 600 tires and they paid him $300 (half the 
going rate at the time).   LOL.  I dont' have a need for that many tires, but 
I sure could see making a desert cellar, out of view for food storage with 
double purpose - better year round temps, and if in a SHTF scenario to 
protect it.
 
 
 
 
 


--- On Sun, 1/18/09, bobf <bobford79 AT yahoo.com> wrote:

From: bobf <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Homestead] pigs
To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
Date: Sunday, January 18, 2009, 11:12 AM





.........................
> The agribusiness model says:  400 lbs of pork for $500 in feed and
expenses, $1.25 a pound!  Not bad.
> 
The pastoral model says:  100 lbs of pork for no money at all.  Even better!
> 


This kind of reasoning might be part of a "pastoral homesteading"
ideology, but it is also sound business practice.  When your input or cost is
zero, your margin of return is 100%.  Plus if you consume the 'result' ,
yourself, you pay no added-value expenses in the business chain and you pay no
taxes for your governmental morons to waste.

Agri-bus9ness is suited well for its purpose - to sate the masses.  Hungry
people become unruly and then dangerous.  We are not a nation of skinny, angry
people -- not yet.  But agri-business would collapse without governmental
propping.  It is "planned" and "centralized"-- always bad,
in the long run...............

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Sounds yummy. Our greens are all stunted for lack of rain, even though
they have drip irrigation. They just need more acidity that the rain
provides. They are predicting drought for us through October. Yikes!

--Sage

bobf wrote:
> My 'greens' garden is doing great.  We had chef's salads for dinner last 
> night with the base greens being my hom grown  (two different varieties) 
> curly red lettuce. (so , I guess, those greens were really 'reds' ;-o  )
>
> My collards, mustard and tuenip greens are all pretty and becoming large.  
> I will probably cut and cook some in the next few days.  My brocooli 
> doesn't yet have "fruit" .  But,Even the extra bed where I planted seed -- 
> the bed I thought didn't turn out-- has sprouted many, many little 
> plants--we shall see how that turns out.
>
> My yellow pear tomatoes are still producing.  I had those, along with some 
> local (Wilcox, AZ) red tomatyoes in the salads also.
>
> I have a local source for a new type od heat-resistnat tomatoe plant, for 
> this spring.  I will probably plow under my old tomato beds (except for the 
> yellow pear and a couple of other bushes-- and plant in early Feb, the new 
> tomato plants...............
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