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[Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com>]

Bev wrote to Bob:  "I think we are all talking, as James says, at cross 
purposes with you. 
You talk of maintaining wealth, we talk of maintaining life and lifestyle."
 
 
There is one caveat in homesteader's being able to "maintain life and 
lifestyle" - and that is real estate tax, and the potential need from time to 
time to buy things "in the market".  

Real estate taxes will rise, and likely rise faster proportionately than 
wages.  It is so important to understand that what the Fed is doing by 
expanding the money supply - is a hidden tax - is is the cause of inflation.  
As local, state & federal governments pay more money as prices and wages 
inflate - they tax more.  Although, we may be entering a new era where 
instead of taxing more the Fed just prints more and more money and gives it 
to the states to make up the budget deficits if real estate taxes aren't 
increased.
 
While the laws are a tad different from State to State - state's do put tax 
liens on property for unpaid real estate tax - and in some states (maybe all 
- I'd have to brush up on that) - after X number of years of non-payment - 
the property winds up on the auction steps of the courthouse.
 
This is where the threat of higher inflation than we've ever experienced 
before, which may become a hyperinflation, is going to be a real problem for 
homesteaders if their fiat currency wealth isn't keeping up with inflation at 
a rate to satisfy the tax man.
 
 
Your true enemies are the Federal Reserve and out of control government 
spending - not someone who wants to saves excess production in whatever form 
they choose.  
 
The honest person who produces excessive wealth isn't coming to take your 
homestead away - the honest person has already produced more than his 
immediate and near term survival needs and has even saved for a rainy day or 
two or three.  
 
It is the dishonest persons (this includes dishonest businesses and 
individuals) who don't want to produce what they need to survive, who stick 
their hand out for more and more government subsidies.  The trickle down 
winds up in higher taxes (on wages and real estate).  
 
It is the dishonest persons and businesses who have forced government budgets 
far far above the government's ability to tax individuals directly.  It has 
gotten to the point where the government is now forced to create money out of 
thin air --- devalue the currency, inflate the money supply and in time make 
your real estate taxes go thru the roof.
 
Homesteaders can not operate in a vacuum away from the government tax man - 
including all the various hidden forms of taxation.  Obviously the more and 
more independent one is from the rest of society, the less impact from the 
tax man and inflation.  If the only "cash" one needs to raise is to pay real 
estate tax - fantastic.
 
But that presumes, no fuel, no health insurance, no store bought christmas 
shopping, no need to purchase tools or seeds from stores, no newspapers, no 
toilet paper, etc.  Only the need to pay the tax man.  Raising that much by 
doing something to exchange for fiat currency might be possible if it is just 
for real estate tax.... it depends on what rate of inflation is underway and 
about to be unleashed.
 
(If James has reached the point where he can live "money free" except for the 
taxman - I congratulate him.)  
 
The only way to stop the threat to all of us is to stop giving the government 
money.  If you can stop the cause of inflation - you stop a real threat to 
the homestead.
 
It is odd to watch humans at times of stress.  Preparations for hurricanes 
like Andrew can be quite stressful.  You can't imagine the panic level people 
go thru in hurricane devastated areas to get food.  I always kept, and still 
keep many months to one year's worth of non-perishable food on hand, and 
never had to push and shove for anything.  During and after storms, I didn't 
have to loot either.  But those who hadn't saved enough to be prepared did 
loot.... It actually was scary, and my ex and I took turns manning the 
shotgun each and every day and night until the looters moved on (they got as 
close as 2 blocks away).  They weren't only stealing "things" but also food 
and liquids.  From where I was, it seemed to slow/stop when military tents 
were set up with food and water.  But it took me a long time to leave the 
immediate area (way too many trees down over roads).  But I did see the 
helicopters flying in container after container of
 supplies.
 
Then again, maybe that is something to look up in history - do governments 
resort to raising real estate tax during escalating inflationary times.  I 
know my property taxes in 30 years NEVER once went lower, and NEVER once was 
even held at the same rate as the prior year.  
 
All these bail-outs will have an effect on us..... and IMO homesteaders need 
to think about the potential impact on real estate tax in particular and any 
supplies they continue to buy off their homestead).
 
If the taxman cometh and taketh the land for non-payment or under payment of 
real estate tax - there's no way to homestead.
 
 
 
 
 

--- On Wed, 12/31/08, EarthNSky <erthnsky AT bellsouth.net> wrote:


I think we are all talking, as James says, at cross purposes with you. 
You talk of maintaining wealth, we talk of maintaining life and lifestyle.




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That was by Dr. Ron Paul, long time contributor to the Lew Rockwell site.  
Yes, he writes well.  
 
Although it helps to have a good foundation of the basic concepts of the 
subjects he discusses also.
 
 


--- On Wed, 12/31/08, bobf <bobford79 AT yahoo.com> wrote:


Scary stuff, indeed, Leslie. 

 As for the lew rockwell comments, 



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Nope, haven't caught that - looks like one to read thru just from the first 
sentence there.
 
OK, I haven't read anything this week ---- my guess on the Toyota lead....... 
yen carry coming apart, affecting their exports, as the world shifts to a 
dollar carry. Actually that was something I predicted about 2 years ago, and 
some economist published my emails about that.
 
 
Bond market - absolutely disaster making material.    <G> I get to go back to 
my Greenspan conspiracy here.......  As the toxic waste started to have 
"pricing issues" back in Feb 2007 (the first hint) and then Aug 2007 (became 
more talked about)......  some of these bonds couldn't be "priced".  Well 
Pimco hired Greenspan in May 2007 - my first thought - holy crap - the bond 
market is going to bubble and then pop in a most spectacular fashion.... 
where Greenspan goes disaster materializes.  Nothing like letting the fox in 
the hen house.  Bond markets are huge huge huge.  How does a bond market 
bubble?  Take interest rates to zero.......  Who was on TV begging the Fed to 
take interest rates down?  Bill Gross/Pimco - who was advised by non other 
than,,,, Greenspan.   Interest rates can't go lower.
 
That's why I see Obama bringing in an advisor by the name of Mr. 
20%-interest-rate-inflation-fighter Volcker as a very serious thing to 
ponder.........   raising interest rates will pop that bond bubble..... 
treasuries are bonds, and the "world" has done what?  They've all fled for 
the "safety" of treasuries.  Safety my arse..... 
 
I'll have to see what Moriarity says on the timing relationship to a 
hyperinflation.
 
I would have guessed the Fed would have to raise interest rates to attract 
foreign money to purchase treasuries to stall off the hyperinflation phase.  
I suppose the scary part would if the Fed did raise interest rates and the 
foreigners went on strike......... All those Scary Movies aren't scary at all 
in comparison to that........LOL
 
 
 
 


--- On Wed, 12/31/08, bobf <bobford79 AT yahoo.com> wrote:

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Excerpt:

December 31, 2008

"We are facing an unprecedented emergency," [ Toyota ] President
Katsuaki Watanabe told a year-end news conference. "This is a crisis unlike
the crises of the past."  ~ Toyota sees "unprecedented" crisis by
Chang-Ran Kim, Reuters, 12/22/08   

"When the bond market crashes [expected timing: 'any day now'],
it¢s going to be 15 on the Richter scale. It¢s going to be enormous. It¢s
far more dangerous than the stock market crashing. When the bond market 
crashes,
the hyperinflation starts." ~ Bob Moriarty of 321gold.com, interviewed by
The Gold Report   

  




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Ha, I sent that link posted earlier to someone outside this group.  The 
response....


Dear Leslie
Coincidentally after reading the Wall Street article regarding Russian
professor Igor Panarin's prediction of the disintegration of the USA,
I saw a report on CNBC about this guy,
My first impression was that this guy is an old Soviet Union KGB elite
that can't come to grip with the New World evolution. They long for
the good old days of concerning countries by force, violence and fear
to enrich the motherland. Igor is clearly a disciple of the Putin
mafia that will resort to anything to get Mother Russia to be the
world leader that it used to be.  Communism and the old KGB is not
dead, only the packaging, the Russians had to move their centrally
controlled inefficient economy to a more free market open economy
because the former did not work. This was done out of a need of
survival not because they logically recognize the benefits of a free
market economy. They still hold a deep hatred for America and
everything that it represents. This hatred began in 1917.
The current world economic recession and more anticipated hardships
have further deteriorated their inefficient Hy-brid economic system.The 
Russians are still engaged in de-facto wars with the USA, in the
Middle East,Africa,South America and even inside the US.  One
important facet of warfare is to psychologically weaken you enemy. To
spread false rumors, no matter how outrageous, to create fear in your
enemy's camp to weaken their resolve, create distention and eventually
divide and conquer you enemy. There are thousands of examples starting
from the old testament to all current wars and conflicts.
Obviously, Comrade Igor is very proficient at psychological warfare,
after all; he is a minister of the KGB that trains spies for mother
Russia.  He is a frequent "guest" on the  Russia Today television
programs aired only to spread propaganda and false rumors about
anything that threatens the KGB and mother Russia. I venture to guess that 
when Igor and his KGB think tank comrades came up with this USA
disintegration scenario they ran out of vodka and could no longer
think straight.




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I guess that makes me less than tough--I've put a couple of things (people)
before my homestead-y dreams.  As a matter of fact, I'm still putting my
nearly-grown children ahead, since they're influencing where I try again.

Did any of you tough women get post-divorce pressure from your family to
return "home"?  My mom would really like me to take care of her in her
suburbs...

Cathy

On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 1:57 PM, bobf <bobford79 AT yahoo.com> wrote:

> Well, Roxanne, with those comments you just joined the ranks of "those
> hard,tough women on the homestead list"  :-)
>
> I'm getting there, slow, I know.  But, I'm doing wehat I feel I can within
> the confines of my relationship to others.