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[Leslie <cayadopi AT yahoo.com>]

Metal guides for the blade????  What are metal guides?
 
 
The knives I got have the blade and the part of the metal that goes into the 
handle is all one piece.  The portion inside the handle is the same length as 
the entire handle (not just a little stub where the handle sides will fall 
off).  Some of the handles are very smooth plastic molded and curved for 
fingers and of adequate size in the palm,  The little one I was using 
yesterday is buffalo horn.  Some are more textured.  There's only two knives 
that I personally don't like - errors in ordering on the stock number.  The 
blade part is good, not too long/big, but the handles suck - at least for my 
hand - they are uncomfortable, narrow handles.  However, my dad can make some 
handles for them out of some nice hard wood he has if they don't sell off.
 
Jagged edge, ahh, that is why it is called a survival knife then.  I just 
looked at one of them, and yes, it is cut very much in a way that I can see 
it sawing thru at least some bones (with sharpened edges cutting in both 
directions pull/push) with two different cutting type areas - a narrower 
finer edge, and a wider wicked edge.  Although I think I'd personally like 
the regular bone saws better.  Haven't cut animal bones like that,but have 
assisted on amputations in the OR a number of times.
 
I didn't get any Croc Dundee knives... LOL.  But that IS a great scene in 
that movie.
 
:-)


--- On Thu, 12/25/08, Clansgian AT wmconnect.com <Clansgian AT wmconnect.com> wrote:

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Subject: Re: [Homestead] More on Gold
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Date: Thursday, December 25, 2008, 3:03 PM





>Question.... on the hunting knives.... some of them have some wicked jagged 
>edges on the upper side.  What is the jagged edge really for?

Ostensibly it is for sawing, such as bone when you are dressing a carcass.  
In reality it is to make the knife look wicked for those people who feel the 
need to substitute the knife for another part of their anatomy they deem 
inadequate. 

That is, it isn't much useful as a saw.  Better, says I, to have a good 
enough knife and a good enough saw rather than something that is half-a&&ed 
in between. 

Herself got a new Buck knife for Christmas to keep with her work clothes, one 
adequate but not so expensive that you'd cry much if you lost it.  It (gasp) 
is made in China.  The handle is inferior, no metal guides for the blade an 
made entirely of thermoplastic.  Adequate, but inferior.  The blade however 
is the same steel and same grind as the most expensive Buck they had costing 
five times that price. 

A really utiliatarian knife isn't that impressive looking.  The value is all 
in the edge.  It isn't overly large, you could skin and dress a moose with a 
3" blade if you have the skill and you can't dress it with a 12" Crocodile 
Dundee knife if you don't.  I debated between the leaf blade knife I got her 
and a hook-bill blade, which in many ways is much more useful as a tool.  Oh, 
well, her birthday isn't that far off. 

I delivered one of my wares to a buyer on Tuesday and she paid me in several 
hundred dollars of $1 metal coins (the fiat coins, Presidents, Susan B's, 
etc).  They all go into my barrel top pirate chest (which I also make and 
sell) as one of my stashes of fiat money.  She was getting rid of some of her 
accumulated paraphenalia and out of that gave my son an honest to God pirate 
cutlass, reproduction but fully functional.  When we went to too many stops 
for the day, he opted to stay in the van. While we were joking around (which 
we do constantly) a sib asked him what did he think he was going to do, 
protect the stash newly acquired coins in the van?  Recalling a scene from 
one of the Crocodile Dundee movies, he said if anyone one pulled one of those 
lock-blade knives on him and demanded money saying "I've got a knife", he 
said he'd nonchalantly slide out the 28", 2" broad cultass and say, "Aw, 
that's not a knife, THIS is a knife!" 

James 



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If somehow I have given the impression that these are paper thin knives, with 
flexing blades, with the shaft not extending the whole way thru the handle, I 
apologize.  These actually ARE blades I would use myself.  The blades do not 
flex, they are stainless steel, the blade extends all the way into the 
handle, all the way to the pinky finger end of the handle.
 
Retail prices are far above wholesale prices.  So don't be misled by the 
wholesale price I paid, if that is what gave you the impression they were 
dangerous to the user.  The only end dangerous to the user are the sharp 
edges.
 


--- On Thu, 12/25/08, EarthNSky <erthnsky AT bellsouth.net> wrote:

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Subject: Re: [Homestead] Knives, was More on Gold
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Date: Thursday, December 25, 2008, 6:59 PM


Leslie wrote:
> Merry Xmas to all also !
> 
> A wholesale price of $7 US apiece (on average) for hunting knives 
> varying in length from 8" - 13" including scabbords & small
shapening
>  stones, regardless of where the stainless came from seems like a 
> really good deal.  Then there are the shorter straight blades, more 
> of a multi-purpose stainless steel knife ($3 - $5 wholesale).

It kinda sounds like inferior quality stuff.  You get what you pay for
when it comes to knives.


> 
> The masses can not afford the most expensive knives... but they still
>  need knives.

Well, what they need, really need, is a tool that will do the job.
Nothing fancy, but a good tool.  They don't need the bells and whistles,
no fancy handles, but because they would be rather unskilled to begin
with, they at least need a quality tool.  The 'masses' cannot afford to
hire anything to be done by others, nor can they afford injuring
themselves.

> There are a lot of people who think differently about bying quality. 
> Some will look for quality and buy something of the best quality that
>  will last a lifetime.  So say for example they spend $200 on a
> single knife.  Others will take the same $200, and buy 30-40 cheap
> knives, sell off half of them for $200, get their original money
> back, and keep the balance, using the spares as replacements for when
> the cheaper ones break, get lost, etc.
> 
> People buy the best quality that they can afford,,,,, key word being 
> afford.

Right, but if you are actually using the cheaper knives, then you will
definitely go through 30-40 of the inferior knives in whatever real task
you are trying to perform, OR, you will injury yourself somewhere along
the way and end up spending far more.  I understand that you never can
convince people to buy quality-that's a lesson that most folks learn the
hard way-but I just had to make that point.


>> From the point of view of personal use, I would prefer super 
>> quality - and if I can't afford, then lots of back-up
replacements.
>>  LOL.
> 
> For guns, I think I would think differently though, as I would guess 
> there are probably personal safety issues involved.
> 

A gun is a tool.  A knife is a tool.  A chainsaw is a tool.
All have personal safety issues.  Even if you are going to resell them
and not use them yourself, think about the injury someone else might
acquire.

B



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> Metal guides for the blade????  What are metal guides?

Leslie, the metal part that the blade locks onto when you open knife (if it
is a folding knife) or the continuous part of the blade on a fixed knife is 
the
'tang'.  I'd expect that to be metal of the same quality as the blade even on
very inespensive knives.

What I was refering to was on a folding knife, on good ones, the blade folds
into a metal guide, like a sheath,  on the inside of the bone or plastic
handle.  On the cheapies that metal guide is missing and the handle (tang not
withstanding) is all plastic.


James