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[william Eggers <wce1482 AT yahoo.com>]

About Amish.  I guess I will add my 2 cents worth, if anyone cares.  My 
great-grandfather was raised Amish in Pennsylvania and when a young man, 
floated down the Ohio and Mississippi to New Orleans with a cargo of bear's 
grease.  While in New Orleans, he apprenticed to a stone worker.  He went up 
the Mississippi on the steamship Fancy.  It blew up at St Louis, Missouri.  
He then talked to the next captain and told him to take him as far north as 
this gold watch would pay for.  That was all he had left from the first 
steamship.  He landed in Burlington, Iowa.  There he worked for a hotel as a 
cook.  Radishes were new then and he would take the tops that were cut off 
and plant them and raise more radishes.  He eventually bought a farm and went 
on the build the courthouse in Mt. Pleasant, Iowa and also the first state 
capitol building in Iowa City.  This is probably more than anyone wants to 
know.

--- On Wed, 12/3/08, sjc <indexer AT fairpoint.net> wrote:

From: sjc <indexer AT fairpoint.net>
Subject: Re: [Homestead] It's almost over
To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2008, 4:59 PM

sjc wrote:
> bob ford wrote:
>   
>>  ....* Note, I'm not as educated on the history of the Amish as
you, I thought they considered themselves "German".  German history is
filled with great warriors.  I don't know much about the Swiss ?  They ski,
and make cheese and watches and chocalate; and guard the Pope, I don't
really know if they have ever been dominant
>>
>>   
>>     
> And indeed they do often refer to themselves as "Gutch", from
the German 
>
>   
Yuk.  That's what happens when you try to tape drywall half the day with 
one operable arm, then type afterward!  Should, of course, be
"Dutch".

SJ

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Lynn, you , Bev and I have all been on alive , in the same country, for about 
the same amount of time.  How many people do you think, worldwide, have been 
purposefully killed by other people in that amount of time?  I don't know the 
answer but it has headlined much of the news and conversation most of the 
time I have been alive.  Wra, crime, etc, it is all violence perpetrated by 
humans against other humans.

A firend who is very much like you, 'been protesting since LBJ, and still 
does's, very progressive agnostic quaker is nontheless considered by her 
sister to be part of the war machine, because she pays taxes.  Her highly 
educated sister lives on an anti-war commune in the SW, refusing to 
participate 'at all' in the system.

Bev and I don't want to see our relatives kill or be killed in war any more 
than my friend's "commune-living" sister.  We just admit that being human has 
certain characteristics.............................

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--- On Thu, 12/4/08, Lynn Wigglesworth <lynnw1366 AT hotmail.com> wrote:

> From: Lynn Wigglesworth <lynnw1366 AT hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] It's almost over
> To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 8:54 AM
> > I'm saying  that as long as there are people who
> DON'T do that, it
> >> can't be a  universal  "human"
> trait...it is perhaps a trait in a subset
> >> of humans, but not all. If  violence and
> aggression were universal human
> >> traits, wouldn't ALL people be  brawl and
> stealing?
> >
> > ****** No, not all people have adult physical
> relationships or even
> > procreate, either, but it is still our primary
> biological imperative.
>
> So do you think that a majority of humans are aggressive? I
> define
> aggression as ACTING aggressive, as Bev says, taking what
> you want through
> aggression and/or violence. Maybe I  live in a different
> world, but I don't
> see it. I see lots of peaceful people with the rare
> aggressive/violent
> person. Even in the inner city; for every person wanting to
> rob/rape/murder,
> there are 99 people who DON'T want to. That
> aggressive/violent person is the
> anomaly, not the norm.
>
> Lynn Wigglesworth
>
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