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  • From: bob ford <bobford79 AT yahoo.com>
  • To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
  • Subject: Re: [Homestead] It's almost over
  • Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 13:15:11 -0800 (PST)

No Susan, you mis-understood me. I was simply questioning, out loud, several
of the premises on the list, today, regarding this subject. I just can't
think of a 'civilization, in history, that didn't fight, war, whatever. I
like the amish, and the mennonites, and the really conservative christians
(4-square ?) that won't go to war, or fight for any reason.

I also like the cultures of the people who do go to war. I think biology
has much to do with us fighting --- 'primates fight', period, is the way I
look at it. Maybe one day, we will eveolve to the point that we are all like
the Amish or whatever, and don't war anymore. We certainly aren't there,
yet.

* Note, I'm not as educated on the history of the Amish as you, I thought
they considered themselves "German". German history is filled with great
warriors. I don't know much about the Swiss ? They ski, and make cheese and
watches and chocalate; and guard the Pope, I don't really know if they have
ever been dominant

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--- On Wed, 12/3/08, sjc <indexer AT fairpoint.net> wrote:

> From: sjc <indexer AT fairpoint.net>
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] It's almost over
> To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2008, 2:06 PM
> > Besides, Buddhists have never been a major power in
> modern times (though , as I said they still will fight), if
> they were a power in Ancient times, it would have been in
> China, where the history of War is very long.
> >
> Bob, do you mean an entity must be a major power to qualify
> as
> peaceful? Or what? I'm not getting your argument....
> > The Amish don't fight, but the people from whom
> they came sure as hell did................
> >
> ??? The Swiss? Not much known as aggressors or big
> fighters, to my
> knowledge, although they have been known to defend.....The
> Amish groups
> all share the common history that started with Swiss Ulrich
> Zwingli in
> the mid 1500s, continued with Conrad Grebel, also Swiss,
> continues
> through Jakob Amman, also Swiss, and continues throughout
> Europe as they
> were rejected and moved from pillar to post over the
> ensuing years,
> until now they exist all over the world.
>
> And if a population comes from an aggressive history, then
> reforms
> itself to be something non-aggressive, is it less valid as
> a peaceful
> population, simply because its roots were not peaceful?
> That's some
> murky thinking, it seems, in that it says we humans
> can't execute change
> in our thinking and then change behavior......in that case,
> I guess we
> would need to say that a lot of our efforts are doomed.
> And it leaves
> wanting a peaceful population that wars over territory and
> then becomes
> aggressive...if one can't change, can the other?
>
> SJ
>
>
>
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