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> > But with respect, Bev, and I do mean this because I can see you are
> > trying to be civil and respectful, you are like a dog with a bone on
> > this Ayers thing. I never once saw you  discuss the Republican
> > campaign's holes...Keating 5...Troopergate...Cindy McCain's drug use,
> > John McCain's philandering. Your questioning and discussion only went
> > one way.
>
> This is funny to me.
> Yes, I was, am, and will be a dog, a bitch, with a bone on this 'Ayers
> thing' and with other things.  I am a dog with a bone in every  
> aspect of
> my life, whether it is digging out every last piece of metal in a burn
> pit,(I'll post pictures later in the day) or filling in the gaps in
> President Elect Obama's life.  If I know all there is to know, I will
> respect him more, maybe, hopefully.
> As for the the Republicans..1. those aren't campaign holes.  Books  
> have
> been written about those times, acts, issues.  We know a lot about K5,
> Troopergate,and McCain's wife's issues.  I did not discuss the K5
> thing, but I did discuss Troopergate.  I even said that I thought  
> Palin
> abused her power. That story, IMO, is still coming to light and  
> there is
> nothing more to do on it.   I consider all of those things 'points of
> consideration', not issues to investigate, because in my mind, they  
> have
> already been investigated.  McCain, in his book, took responsibility  
> for
> his actions in the K5 scandal, as well as for his adultery.  I despise
> adultery, but I respect someone who can say, I did it, this is why(and
> not blame their spouse), and I am responsible for hurting a lot of
> people.  That, to me, is being responsible for one's actions/ 
> transgressions.




Why aren't those tings campaign holes? Why aren't they equally as  
important as something SOMEONE ELSE DID when Barak Obama was EIGHT  
YEARS OLD? Why is this one thing more important than decisions that  
McCain HIMSELF made as an ADULT?
Look, I'm not sayin you shouldn't think about it, or ask questions,  
but it has become (it seems) an overwhelming focus for you that you  
are making much more of than is reasonable.










> > > g
> > >
> > > There is also racial anger.  My entire life, I have believed that  
> > > race
> > > does not matter.
> >
> >
> > And yet, down further in this letter, you refer to all black people  
> > as
> > getting their news from somewhere else. If you want to be colour
> > blind....BE COLOUR BLIND.
>
>
> Race has been discussed ad nauseum on TV for two days.
> We have not really discussed it on the list.  It is the white elephant
> sitting in the corner of the room.  We can't we discuss it without
> assuming that the other person has some huge racist agenda?
> As to the news thing...
> Explain to me how lots of black people are getting the message that
> Obama will pay my bills, and yet, white people don't think that.
> If it were on TV or in print, we, whites, would see it.  The 'other
> source' of news might, might, be black churches.  A different message
> may be circulating through the black community than the white  
> community.
>  That is all I am saying.  It may not be from churches, but the idea  
> is
> so widespread, it has to be coming from somewhere.
>
>  I am angry with Obama for misleading decent
> > > hardworking black people.



"Black people" "black people" black people".  PEOPLE, Bev. Just people.






> > Then, dear hearted as he maybe, Rocky is an ignorant schmuck. And
> > decent hardworking PEOPLE should know better.
>
> You don't know Rocky, or what he has done in his life.  The man has
> served his country honorably and now he unselfishly provides care to  
> his
> sister.  Just because he can't read and believes a message that is
> foreign to you doesn't make him an ignorant schmuck.  There were
> thousands, tens of thousands, of blacks out of work yesterday,  
> believing
> that Obama will save them.  Are they all ignorant schmucks, too?
>
>  All I ask is who is reinforcing this idea?  Do they have a separate
> news source(I don't BET except for boxing..not even sure if they  
> have a
> news program)?  Could it be the churches?  Could it be university
> groups? Could it be in magazines like Ebony or Jet(I don't read them,
> but I heard they got seats on Obamas plane at the last minute) Could  
> it
> be word of mouth, or internet groups?
>
> I take it that not too many blacks live in upstate NY so perhaps you  
> are
> not seeing what I see.  That does not make me a bigot for reporting  
> what
> I see. You, on the left, the one who has described herself as a  
> flaming
> liberal<g>, obviously have a different news source than I do,  
> because I
> had not heard anything at all about Trig. As another example, just
> yesterday, Gene mentioned that he had not heard anything about the war
> in Iraq..when I read that, I thought where the heck has he been?
> Multiple stations were talking about troop withdrawals early from Iraq
> due to the success of the war, and that for the first time really  
> since
> we have been there, we ar winning and making real progress.  I saw  
> it on
> multiple channels, but Gene apparently did not.
> It is a fact that people use different sources for news.


I lived in Virginia long enough. I know lots of people of different  
colours. I happen to be a fairly shocking shade of pink and I get most  
of my news via the Internet. I can't speak for any other PERSON.

> > Ah, grasshopper.....maybe you couldn't convince them, because it was
> > not what they felt they needed to do. Why was it your job to convince
> > anyone? Maybe your reasons for feeling like you needed to convince
> > anyone, AND that you couldn't, need to be more closely examined.
>
> Obviously.  And I will do that.
>
>
> > > How did Liberals convince enough Conservative Americans to elect a
> > > Socialist like Barack Obama?..lol..
> >
> >
> > Because he's NOT a socialist. *sigh* You are a bigot on this, Bev.
>
>
> Wow.  I'm sorry you think that.



THIS issue. I believe you are good hearted and kind. But on this  
issue, (Obama and Ayers) I really do believe you are close minded to  
it's relative importance in the big scheme.
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