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  • From: paxamicus AT earthlink.net
  • To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
  • Subject: Re: [Homestead] The longest post yet-Anger
  • Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 08:15:38 -0500


My issues with certain list members are not new. I left this list once
because of the double standard that I saw. I left again last night, and
came back today. This post is about anger.
I have a lot of leftover anger regarding this election and this list.
The list is the only place I really discuss politics, and this election
is my first foray into political discussions in the 13 or 14 years or
whatever that I have been here. I have participated at a cost to my
personal relationships, and I am not referring to Gene. Don't get me
wrong, I entered the fray knowing that I was amongst those who held
opposite opinions, and for the most part, I do enjoy reading views that
are opposite mine, however there is often a double standard on this list
that favors liberalism and those who lean to the left, and that double
standard really bothers me. <Palin voice on> If you can't see the double
standard, then you are probably one of the ones I'm talkin' about.<Palin
voice off> ;)


I was chastised for labeling people as Pro and Anti-Obama and yet, those
same people have said nothing about Gene labeling me as closed minded or
Moon's characterization of Sarah Palin as trash.(Sorry to pick on you
Moon, that was just the most recent label that I have read on the list)
A label is apparently ok, if the liberal members agree with it. And
then there is so much talk of respect and civility, and yet, that rule
only seems to apply to some people and not others. Gene posted an
article with his baiting and confrontational comments, and I responded
with an argumentative opinion. Gene said recently that he respected my
opinion, but when I voiced it in response to his post, he called me
closed minded. Yesterday or before that, he started off a post to Drew
questioning Drew's open-mindedness, which automatically makes a person
go into defense mode. It is all super ironic, since I think Gene is the
one with a closed mind when it comes to hearing negative things about Obama.



I don't mind you repeating what I said. It's just my personal opinion, and I did, out of respect, keep it off list until after the election was over, because it really is just personal opinion.

But with respect, Bev, and I do mean this because I can see you are trying to be civil and respectful, you are like a dog with a bone on this Ayers thing. I never once saw you discuss the Republican campaign's holes...Keating 5...Troopergate...Cindy McCain's drug use, John McCain's philandering. Your questioning and discussion only went one way.



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There is also racial anger. My entire life, I have believed that race
does not matter.


And yet, down further in this letter, you refer to all black people as getting their news from somewhere else. If you want to be colour blind....BE COLOUR BLIND.

I was taught, like I taught my children, to live by
the words of Martin Luther King, to judge a man, not by the color of his
skin, but by the content of his character. I live by that. I believe
that to be a truth-a path to a better world, and that is why I taught it
to my children. And yet in this election, I see hundreds of thousands
of black people who have voted for Obama not on the content of his
character, but on the color of his skin. This angers me, and I fully
expect that I will not be alone in my anger on this matter. I feel
that white people, the MSM, and even some people on this list gave Obama
a pass because of his race, and never looked very hard at the rest of
the picture. His childhood and upbringing did affect him...it led to
his ideology. The problem is, I see a blue violet ideology and you see
blue green ideology, and no one really knows where Obama lies in the
spectrum...and it does matter, because we deserve to know.
One more comment about race and then I will let it go here. I think
contrary to popular opinion, that Obama's election will hurt race
relations in this country. When I say New America, this is what I
reference. We are now living in a new and different America, where
attitudes are very different than they were even three days ago. When
you combine the new sense of empowerment blacks feel, with the
expectation that Obama will be a savior to the poor, with the anger that
whites have over reverse racism and ideological anger like what I feel
and described above, you end up with problems and I think you will start
to see the clashes very soon, even before the inauguration. Today, at
the dealership where Ron works, black employees did not show up for
work. I don't know how widespread this is, but I know it is at least
greater than a local phenomenon because I have heard the same comments
from people in other cities. Apparently, some people don't see the need
to work, because their housing, insurance, gasoline, and medical bills
will soon be taken care of. They can't wait for Socialism to take
effect. I personally hope that people come to their senses soon, but I
fear this behavior will grow and that there will be serious implications
to race relations. One of the guys that works with Ron, Rocky, is a
sweet man. He's older than me, and illiterate, but he has a huge heart
and well, he's the kind of guy you would want to tell stories to your
grandkids. He's dirt poor-takes care of his handicapped sister, and
they treat him like crap at work-he's the guy who cleans up new and used
cars. We always just give him eggs because he only makes $7/hour. In
10 years, Rocky has never been out of work, but He laid out today. I
can pretty well tell you that Rocky wasn't out partying in the streets
getting drunk. I believe that he believes that he and his sister will
be taken care of. <sigh> If Rocky is buying into that, we are in real
trouble, my friends. I am angry with Obama for misleading decent
hardworking black people.


Then, dear hearted as he maybe, Rocky is an ignorant schmuck. And decent hardworking PEOPLE should know better.


I am also angry that I was not able to convince anyone to vote against
Obama, either for a Libertarian or for McCain or another party/write in.
I could not even convince my naive daughter, who believes that with
Obama's help, she will be able to go back to school full-time. So I
feel like I failed her in that regard.


Ah, grasshopper.....maybe you couldn't convince them, because it was not what they felt they needed to do. Why was it your job to convince anyone? Maybe your reasons for feeling like you needed to convince anyone, AND that you couldn't, need to be more closely examined.


My fears of Socialistic change
in this country have also led me to be angry about the future for my
granddaughter. I want her to be able to sit and write 1000 word or
10000 word dissertations against her President should she choose to do
so. I would like to have left this Homestead to my children, but I fear
that they will never own it because they won't be able to pay the taxes.

So that's as much of it as I have been able to figure out.
I'm not leaving homestead just yet because it is my duty to be vigilant.
I expect that that will cause problems, and for that I will apologize
in advance, but perhaps you will try to understand that my search for
what I feel is truth is my way of coming to terms with my feelings.
Perhaps, while I am looking at Obama, I will see in him what Oprah sees.
I doubt I will, but I promise that I will try to see things in a more
positive light.
In that vein, I have to share this..
I have Fox on TV, A few minutes back Alan Colmes said (in good spirit)
How did Liberals convince enough Conservative Americans to elect a
Socialist like Barack Obama?..lol..


Because he's NOT a socialist. *sigh* You are a bigot on this, Bev.










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