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paxamicus AT earthlink.net wrote:

> I don't mind you repeating what I said. It's just my personal opinion,  
> and I did, out of respect, keep it off list until after the election  
> was over, because it really is just personal opinion.

That, you did, I did notice that you had held back. I pretty much knew 
how you felt, just not to the degree that you felt it.


> But with respect, Bev, and I do mean this because I can see you are  
> trying to be civil and respectful, you are like a dog with a bone on  
> this Ayers thing. I never once saw you  discuss the Republican  
> campaign's holes...Keating 5...Troopergate...Cindy McCain's drug use,  
> John McCain's philandering. Your questioning and discussion only went  
> one way.

This is funny to me.
Yes, I was, am, and will be a dog, a bitch, with a bone on this 'Ayers 
thing' and with other things.  I am a dog with a bone in every aspect of 
my life, whether it is digging out every last piece of metal in a burn 
pit,(I'll post pictures later in the day) or filling in the gaps in 
President Elect Obama's life.  If I know all there is to know, I will 
respect him more, maybe, hopefully.
As for the the Republicans..1. those aren't campaign holes.  Books have 
been written about those times, acts, issues.  We know a lot about K5, 
Troopergate,and McCain's wife's issues.  I did not discuss the K5 
thing, but I did discuss Troopergate.  I even said that I thought Palin 
abused her power. That story, IMO, is still coming to light and there is 
nothing more to do on it.   I consider all of those things 'points of 
consideration', not issues to investigate, because in my mind, they have 
already been investigated.  McCain, in his book, took responsibility for 
his actions in the K5 scandal, as well as for his adultery.  I despise 
adultery, but I respect someone who can say, I did it, this is why(and 
not blame their spouse), and I am responsible for hurting a lot of 
people.  That, to me, is being responsible for one's actions/transgressions.


> > g
> >
> > There is also racial anger.  My entire life, I have believed that race
> > does not matter.
>
>
> And yet, down further in this letter, you refer to all black people as  
> getting their news from somewhere else. If you want to be colour  
> blind....BE COLOUR BLIND.


Race has been discussed ad nauseum on TV for two days.
We have not really discussed it on the list.  It is the white elephant 
sitting in the corner of the room.  We can't we discuss it without 
assuming that the other person has some huge racist agenda?
As to the news thing...
Explain to me how lots of black people are getting the message that 
Obama will pay my bills, and yet, white people don't think that.
If it were on TV or in print, we, whites, would see it.  The 'other 
source' of news might, might, be black churches.  A different message 
may be circulating through the black community than the white community. 
 That is all I am saying.  It may not be from churches, but the idea is 
so widespread, it has to be coming from somewhere.

 I am angry with Obama for misleading decent
> > hardworking black people.
>
> Then, dear hearted as he maybe, Rocky is an ignorant schmuck. And  
> decent hardworking PEOPLE should know better.

You don't know Rocky, or what he has done in his life.  The man has 
served his country honorably and now he unselfishly provides care to his 
sister.  Just because he can't read and believes a message that is 
foreign to you doesn't make him an ignorant schmuck.  There were 
thousands, tens of thousands, of blacks out of work yesterday, believing 
that Obama will save them.  Are they all ignorant schmucks, too?

 All I ask is who is reinforcing this idea?  Do they have a separate 
news source(I don't BET except for boxing..not even sure if they have a 
news program)?  Could it be the churches?  Could it be university 
groups? Could it be in magazines like Ebony or Jet(I don't read them, 
but I heard they got seats on Obamas plane at the last minute) Could it 
be word of mouth, or internet groups?

I take it that not too many blacks live in upstate NY so perhaps you are 
not seeing what I see.  That does not make me a bigot for reporting what 
I see. You, on the left, the one who has described herself as a flaming 
liberal<g>, obviously have a different news source than I do, because I 
had not heard anything at all about Trig. As another example, just 
yesterday, Gene mentioned that he had not heard anything about the war 
in Iraq..when I read that, I thought where the heck has he been? 
Multiple stations were talking about troop withdrawals early from Iraq 
due to the success of the war, and that for the first time really since 
we have been there, we ar winning and making real progress.  I saw it on 
multiple channels, but Gene apparently did not.
It is a fact that people use different sources for news.

> Ah, grasshopper.....maybe you couldn't convince them, because it was  
> not what they felt they needed to do. Why was it your job to convince  
> anyone? Maybe your reasons for feeling like you needed to convince  
> anyone, AND that you couldn't, need to be more closely examined.

Obviously.  And I will do that.


> > How did Liberals convince enough Conservative Americans to elect a
> > Socialist like Barack Obama?..lol..
>
>
> Because he's NOT a socialist. *sigh* You are a bigot on this, Bev.


Wow.  I'm sorry you think that.


Bev



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