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Ray,
Reading your post brings to mind the Kennedy's, and the phrase 'noblesse  
oblige'
We do have a responsibility...to everything and everyone around us. And  that 
calls for the kind of mutual respect we've been discussing.
That doesn't mean we have to mulch everything in the garden with $5 bills,  
to me it just means that we need to remember that everything has its place in 
 
our mutual lives.
Sandy
Mid-Mojave
 
 
In a message dated 10/10/2008 8:09:43 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
rayzentz AT aim.com writes:

Oh, I  believe we have dominion.   Just cause "we" are in charge,  
doesn't remove a purpose, or fulfillment, on the part of the things  
that we have dominion over.   It also gives us a  responsibility...,  
more than might otherwise be  assumed

Ray


-----Original Message-----
From: Lynn  Wigglesworth <lynnw1366 AT hotmail.com>
To:  homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 8:59 am
Subject: Re:  [Homestead] Plant life ethics --for real



I don't know about  Mormons, but don't many Christian sects believe that
humans have dominion  over the earth? That we are in charge and
everything else is here for our  benefit? To make plants closer to 
humans
probably wouldn't sit well  with that philosophy.

Lynn Wigglesworth

rayzentz AT aim.com  wrote:
> I might add that most of my fellow mormons think I'm a bit  nuts...   
;-)
>
> Ray
>
>
>  -----Original Message-----
> From: EarthNSky
> To:  homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Sent: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 8:24 am
>  Subject: Re: [Homestead] Plant life ethics --for  real
>
>
>
> Very interesting..
> thanks Sage,  that sounds like a book I should find.
> As to my post, I responded to  Bob's, and Ray tagged onto mine.
> I really don't see any conflict from  what I believe and what you and
> Ray
> believe.  I do know  that plants communicate through a collective mind
> of
>  sorts.  I hadn't heard about training plants to open doors, I'll  have
> to
>
look into that.
>
> Bev
>
>  eureka AT hctc.net wrote:
>> Bev,
>>
>> Sorry, I don't  think I saw your initial post, I came in on
>> Bob's and then read  Ray's. I'll have to go back and look
>> for yours to see what you  said.
>>
>> As for egos, the people I've studied with don't  recognize
>> an individual plant ego, but more of a  collective
>> consciousness within a genus/species. So, they would  say
>> that all roses have one conscious mind, thistles  another.
>> I think individual plants can have personality, but from  a
>> life purpose standpoint they are working together from  a
>> collective.
>>
>> Stephen Harrod Buhner  visited with many medicine men
>> around the world in indigenous  tribes and asked them how
>> they new a certain plant was good for a  certain ailment.
>> They all said "the plants told me". Some of this  goes back
>> to the doctrine of signatures. For instance, most of  the
>> plants that treat cardiovascular problems are
>>  red-flowering, sedative plants are blue flowering, urinary
>> tract  yellow flowering, etc. By reading their form and
>> noting where they  grow you learn more about particular
>> uses.
>>
>>  Some of his interesting studies included how keystone
>> plants  "call" other plants into an ecosystem. Ironwood is
>> one of those  plants that sets up first and changes the
>> environment and then the  other desert plants follow. In
>> college we called them pioneer and  successional plants b
ut
>> we never got into the mechanics of how  it happens. He also
>> talks about the intelligence of plants as the  original
>> "chemical factories" with the ability to produce  one
>> substance in the day to attract one kind of  pollinator,
>> and another by night to attract a different one. When  you
>> start looking at these processes you begin to see  plants
>> do make choices.
>>
>> If you read  Tompkins you will remember odd experiements
>> where philodendrons  were supposedly trained to open garage
>> doors, etc. But Buhner's  work is more accessible for the
>> scientific mind and bridges the  gap between it and what
>> might be considered more esoteric. I do  recommend the
>> book.
>
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