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[rayzentz AT aim.com]

Thanks, Sage.

Ray


-----Original Message-----
From: eureka AT hctc.net
To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 8:56 am
Subject: Re: [Homestead] Plant life ethics --for real



Hi Ray,

It was in Tompkin's "Secret Life of Plants" and it was
done with philodendrons. That's worth a re-read.

Some of the other folks I've studied with, besides Stephen
Harrod Buhner, are from Findhorn. There are several books
worth reading about how the people at Findhorn were able
to grow the most incredible vegetables on the rocky coast
of Scotland by connecting with the plant energies. I have
"The Findhorn Garden: Pioneering a New Vision of Man and
Nature in Cooperation" by the Findhorn Community.

--Sage

On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 10:43:28 -0400
  rayzentz AT aim.com wrote:
> Hey, a question for you all.   I remember reading years
>ago about a
> study on the awareness of plants, done with geraniums, I
>belive.   Part
> of it included the researchers wiring up a plant, and
>then destroying
> another one right beside it.   The plant did apparantly
>react.
> Interestingly enough, that plant reacted similarly every
>time the
> 'murdering" researcher came near it.
>
> Do any of you recall that, or ever heard of it.   I am
>having no
> success finding it
>
> Ray
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>From: eureka AT hctc.net
> To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Sent: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 11:44 pm
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] Plant life ethics --for real
>
>
>
> Bev,
>
> Sorry, I don't think I saw your initial post, I came in
>on
> Bob's and then read Ray's. I'll have to go back and look
> for yours to see what you said.
>
> As for egos, the people I've studied with don't
>recognize
> an individual plant ego, but more of a collective
> consciousness within a genus/species. So, they would say
> that all roses have one conscious mind, thistles
>another.
> I think individual plants can have personality, but from
>a
> life purpose standpoint they are working together from a
> collective.
>
> Stephen Harrod Buhner visited with many medicine men
> around the world in indigenous tribes and asked them how
> they new a certain plant was good for a certain ailment.
> They all said "the plants told me". Some of this goes
>back
> to the doctrine of signatures. For instance, most of the
> plants that treat cardiovascular problems are
> red-flowering, sedative plants are blue flowering,
>urinary
> tract yellow flowering, etc. By reading their form and
> noting where they grow you learn more about particular
> uses.
>
> Some of his interesting studies included how keystone
> plants "call" other plants into an ecosystem. Ironwood
>is
> one of those plants that sets up first and changes the
> environment and then the other desert plants follow. In
> college we called them pioneer and successional plants
>but
> we never got into the mechanics of how it happens. He
>also
> talks about the intelligence of plants as the original
> "chemical factories" with the ability to produce one
> substance in the day to attract one kind of pollinator,
> and another by night to attract a different one. When
>you
> start looking at these processes you begin to see plants
> do make choices.
>
> If you read Tompkins you will remember odd experiements
> where philodendrons were supposedly trained to open
>garage
> doors, etc. But Buhner's work is more accessible for the
> scientific mind and bridges the gap between it and what
> might be considered more esoteric. I do recommend the
> book.
>
> --Sage
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 00:41:57 -0400
>  EarthNSky <erthnsky AT bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> eureka AT hctc.net wrote:
>>> Bob,
>>>
>>> I do entirely agree with Ray, that plants have spirits,
>>> can experience satisfaction, and that they are happy in
>>> fulfilling their purpose.
>>
>> Sage, just out of curiosity, what did I write that you
>>did not agree
>> with?  I believe plants have spirits, too.  I talk to
>>mine all the time.
>>  I have been known to stroke them lovingly as well.
>> However, I do not
>> think they have an ego, do you?
>>
>> Bev
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> "The nine most terrifying words in the English language
>>are: 'I'm from
>> the government and I'm here to help.'"  Ronald Reagan
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