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  • From: rayzentz AT aim.com
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  • Subject: Re: [Homestead] Plant life ethics --for real
  • Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:08:22 -0400

Oh, I believe we have dominion. Just cause "we" are in charge, doesn't remove a purpose, or fulfillment, on the part of the things that we have dominion over. It also gives us a responsibility..., more than might otherwise be assumed

Ray


-----Original Message-----
From: Lynn Wigglesworth <lynnw1366 AT hotmail.com>
To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 8:59 am
Subject: Re: [Homestead] Plant life ethics --for real



I don't know about Mormons, but don't many Christian sects believe that
humans have dominion over the earth? That we are in charge and
everything else is here for our benefit? To make plants closer to humans
probably wouldn't sit well with that philosophy.

Lynn Wigglesworth

rayzentz AT aim.com wrote:
I might add that most of my fellow mormons think I'm a bit nuts...
;-)

Ray


-----Original Message-----
From: EarthNSky
To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 8:24 am
Subject: Re: [Homestead] Plant life ethics --for real



Very interesting..
thanks Sage, that sounds like a book I should find.
As to my post, I responded to Bob's, and Ray tagged onto mine.
I really don't see any conflict from what I believe and what you and
Ray
believe. I do know that plants communicate through a collective mind
of
sorts. I hadn't heard about training plants to open doors, I'll have
to

look into that.

Bev

eureka AT hctc.net wrote:
Bev,

Sorry, I don't think I saw your initial post, I came in on
Bob's and then read Ray's. I'll have to go back and look
for yours to see what you said.

As for egos, the people I've studied with don't recognize
an individual plant ego, but more of a collective
consciousness within a genus/species. So, they would say
that all roses have one conscious mind, thistles another.
I think individual plants can have personality, but from a
life purpose standpoint they are working together from a
collective.

Stephen Harrod Buhner visited with many medicine men
around the world in indigenous tribes and asked them how
they new a certain plant was good for a certain ailment.
They all said "the plants told me". Some of this goes back
to the doctrine of signatures. For instance, most of the
plants that treat cardiovascular problems are
red-flowering, sedative plants are blue flowering, urinary
tract yellow flowering, etc. By reading their form and
noting where they grow you learn more about particular
uses.

Some of his interesting studies included how keystone
plants "call" other plants into an ecosystem. Ironwood is
one of those plants that sets up first and changes the
environment and then the other desert plants follow. In
college we called them pioneer and successional plants b
ut
we never got into the mechanics of how it happens. He also
talks about the intelligence of plants as the original
"chemical factories" with the ability to produce one
substance in the day to attract one kind of pollinator,
and another by night to attract a different one. When you
start looking at these processes you begin to see plants
do make choices.

If you read Tompkins you will remember odd experiements
where philodendrons were supposedly trained to open garage
doors, etc. But Buhner's work is more accessible for the
scientific mind and bridges the gap between it and what
might be considered more esoteric. I do recommend the
book.


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"The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from
the government and I'm here to help.'" Ronald Reagan
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