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Oh, I believe we have dominion.   Just cause "we" are in charge, 
doesn't remove a purpose, or fulfillment, on the part of the things 
that we have dominion over.   It also gives us a responsibility...,  
more than might otherwise be assumed

Ray


-----Original Message-----
From: Lynn Wigglesworth <lynnw1366 AT hotmail.com>
To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 8:59 am
Subject: Re: [Homestead] Plant life ethics --for real



I don't know about Mormons, but don't many Christian sects believe that
humans have dominion over the earth? That we are in charge and
everything else is here for our benefit? To make plants closer to 
humans
probably wouldn't sit well with that philosophy.

Lynn Wigglesworth

rayzentz AT aim.com wrote:
> I might add that most of my fellow mormons think I'm a bit nuts...   
;-)
> Ray
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: EarthNSky
> To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Sent: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 8:24 am
> Subject: Re: [Homestead] Plant life ethics --for real
>
>
>
> Very interesting..
> thanks Sage, that sounds like a book I should find.
> As to my post, I responded to Bob's, and Ray tagged onto mine.
> I really don't see any conflict from what I believe and what you and
> Ray
> believe.  I do know that plants communicate through a collective mind
> of
> sorts.  I hadn't heard about training plants to open doors, I'll have
> to
look into that.
> Bev
>
> eureka AT hctc.net wrote:
> > Bev,
> >
> > Sorry, I don't think I saw your initial post, I came in on
> > Bob's and then read Ray's. I'll have to go back and look
> > for yours to see what you said.
> >
> > As for egos, the people I've studied with don't recognize
> > an individual plant ego, but more of a collective
> > consciousness within a genus/species. So, they would say
> > that all roses have one conscious mind, thistles another.
> > I think individual plants can have personality, but from a
> > life purpose standpoint they are working together from a
> > collective.
> >
> > Stephen Harrod Buhner visited with many medicine men
> > around the world in indigenous tribes and asked them how
> > they new a certain plant was good for a certain ailment.
> > They all said "the plants told me". Some of this goes back
> > to the doctrine of signatures. For instance, most of the
> > plants that treat cardiovascular problems are
> > red-flowering, sedative plants are blue flowering, urinary
> > tract yellow flowering, etc. By reading their form and
> > noting where they grow you learn more about particular
> > uses.
> >
> > Some of his interesting studies included how keystone
> > plants "call" other plants into an ecosystem. Ironwood is
> > one of those plants that sets up first and changes the
> > environment and then the other desert plants follow. In
> > college we called them pioneer and successional plants b
ut
> > we never got into the mechanics of how it happens. He also
> > talks about the intelligence of plants as the original
> > "chemical factories" with the ability to produce one
> > substance in the day to attract one kind of pollinator,
> > and another by night to attract a different one. When you
> > start looking at these processes you begin to see plants
> > do make choices.
> >
> > If you read Tompkins you will remember odd experiements
> > where philodendrons were supposedly trained to open garage
> > doors, etc. But Buhner's work is more accessible for the
> > scientific mind and bridges the gap between it and what
> > might be considered more esoteric. I do recommend the
> > book.
>
>
> --
> "The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from
> the government and I'm here to help.'"  Ronald Reagan
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