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Hey - denominations aside - the best of us are a bit nuts, or we're just  
dull and boring - and unimaginative and clueless.
Even a rock, just lying there getting flakier as time goes on <g>,  changes 
shape and adjusts itself to current conditions. One day I'm mossy, and  the 
next day I'm rolling downstream to become something smooth and glossy that  
will 
delight a small child in the years to come.
We're not nuts.
Sandy
Mid-Mojave
 
 
In a message dated 10/10/2008 7:46:45 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
rayzentz AT aim.com writes:

I might  add that most of my fellow mormons think I'm a bit nuts...    ;-)

Ray


-----Original Message-----
From: EarthNSky  <erthnsky AT bellsouth.net>
To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
Sent:  Fri, 10 Oct 2008 8:24 am
Subject: Re: [Homestead] Plant life ethics --for  real



Very interesting..
thanks Sage, that sounds like a book  I should find.
As to my post, I responded to Bob's, and Ray tagged onto  mine.
I really don't see any conflict from what I believe and what you and  
Ray
believe.  I do know that plants communicate through a  collective mind 
of
sorts.  I hadn't heard about training plants to  open doors, I'll have 
to
look into  that.

Bev

eureka AT hctc.net wrote:
> Bev,
>
>  Sorry, I don't think I saw your initial post, I came in on
> Bob's and  then read Ray's. I'll have to go back and look
> for yours to see what  you said.
>
> As for egos, the people I've studied with don't  recognize
> an individual plant ego, but more of a collective
>  consciousness within a genus/species. So, they would say
> that all  roses have one conscious mind, thistles another.
> I think individual  plants can have personality, but from a
> life purpose standpoint they  are working together from a
> collective.
>
> Stephen Harrod  Buhner visited with many medicine men
> around the world in indigenous  tribes and asked them how
> they new a certain plant was good for a  certain ailment.
> They all said "the plants told me". Some of this goes  back
> to the doctrine of signatures. For instance, most of the
>  plants that treat cardiovascular problems are
> red-flowering, sedative  plants are blue flowering, urinary
> tract yellow flowering, etc. By  reading their form and
> noting where they grow you learn more about  particular
> uses.
>
> Some of his interesting studies  included how keystone
> plants "call" other plants into an ecosystem.  Ironwood is
> one of those plants that sets up first and changes  the
> environment and then the other desert plants follow. In
>  college we called them pioneer and successional plants but
> we never  got into the mechanics of how it happens. He also
> talks about the  intelligence of plants as the original
> "chemical factories" with the  ability to produce one
> substance in the day to attract one kind of  pollinator,
> and another by night to attract a different one. When  you
> start looking at these processes you begin to see plants
>  do make choices.
>
> If you read Tompkins you will remember odd  experiements
> where philodendrons were supposedly trained to open  garage
> doors, etc. But Buhner's work is more accessible for  the
> scientific mind and bridges the gap between it and what
>  might be considered more esoteric. I do recommend the
>  book.


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