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It's called "The Force".   Just ask Yoda.   ;-)

Ray


-----Original Message-----
From: Wendy <crazygardens AT verizon.net>
To: homestead AT lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 12:04 pm
Subject: Re: [Homestead] Plant life ethics --for real



Yes, Bev, they do communicate through a "collective mind".  It is 
almost
impossible to detect anything from a single specimen, however, when you 
are
in a big greenhouse where there are hundreds, thousands and tens of
thousands of a single species, their "thoughts", "feelings" and 
"emotions"
can become apparent and sometimes so overwhelming that it can bring you 
to
your knees.  I worked in a large commercial greenhouse one season as an
assistant grower and I can tell you some first hand accounts of the
interactions of the plants with the workers there.  There are people 
who
seem to be able to pick up on their form of "communication" and there 
are
people who cannot.  I have wondered if the difference is in the 
individual
people or that the plants "choose" to "communicate" with some people 
and not
others.  Whatever the case, I am absolutely sure there is some form of
"sentience" in the plant kingdom that we have very little 
understanding.  I
have put some words in parenthesis because am not sure if those words
accurately convey the meaning behind what is actually happening.  They 
are
just the words I have that come close to what I mean.  I found that 
those of
us that could experience their "communication" often kept mum about it. 
It
was best because those who could not sometimes made unkind comments 
about us
and referred to us as "hittin' the peyote".  How people reacted to the
plants "communications" differed depending on their personal beliefs 
and
personalities.  For example, I saw one very religious man emerge from a
greenhouse obviously shaken but smiling, and said to me, "You know,
sometimes you can actually feel god in there."   I saw one young girl 
come
dashing from a greenhouse, in a totally "freaked out" state of mind and
yelled to me, "I QUIT!  There are SPOOKS in there!"  My personal 
feelings
are that it is the "life force" that joins everyone and everything 
together
that we pick up on.  Some people call it the Supernatural, some people 
call
it Mother Nature, some people call it God.  I'm not sure what it is, 
but
there is definitely something there that is not us, and yet, I feel, is 
us
also.

Wendy



> Very interesting..
> thanks Sage, that sounds like a book I should find.
> As to my post, I responded to Bob's, and Ray tagged onto mine.
> I really don't see any conflict from what I believe and what you and 
Ray
> believe.  I do know that plants communicate through a collective mind 
of
> sorts.  I hadn't heard about training plants to open doors, I'll have 
to
> look into that.
>
> Bev
>
> eureka AT hctc.net wrote:
> > Bev,
> >
> > Sorry, I don't think I saw your initial post, I came in on
> > Bob's and then read Ray's. I'll have to go back and look
> > for yours to see what you said.
> >
> > As for egos, the people I've studied with don't recognize
> > an individual plant ego, but more of a collective
> > consciousness within a genus/species. So, they would say
> > that all roses have one conscious mind, thistles another.
> > I think individual plants can have personality, but from a
> > life purpose standpoint they are working together from a
> > collective.
> >
> > Stephen Harrod Buhner visited with many medicine men
> > around the world in indigenous tribes and asked them how
> > they new a certain plant was good for a certain ailment.
> > They all said "the plants told me". Some of this goes back
> > to the doctrine of signatures. For instance, most of the
> > plants that treat cardiovascular problems are
> > red-flowering, sedative plants are blue flowering, urinary
> > tract yellow flowering, etc. By reading their form and
> > noting where they grow you learn more about particular
> > uses.
> >
> > Some of his interesting studies included how keystone
> > plants "call" other plants into an ecosystem. Ironwood is
> > one of those plants that sets up first and changes the
> > environment and then the other desert plants follow. In
> > college we called them pioneer and successional plants but
> > we never got into the mechanics of how it happens. He also
> > talks about the intelligence of plants as the original
> > "chemical factories" with the ability to produce one
> > substance in the day to attract one kind of pollinator,
> > and another by night to attract a different one. When you
> > start looking at these processes you begin to see plants
> > do make choices.
> >
> > If you read Tompkins you will remember odd experiements
> > where philodendrons were supposedly trained to open garage
> > doors, etc. But Buhner's work is more accessible for the
> > scientific mind and bridges the gap between it and what
> > might be considered more esoteric. I do recommend the
> > book.
>
>
> --
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> the government and I'm here to help.'"  Ronald Reagan
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