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[Don Bowen <don.bowen AT earthlink.net>]

At 11/12/2006, you wrote:

> I believe that is a part of the president's plan. You're right that we
> need temporary workers -- with not as many illegals crossing the
> border this year, some crops rotted.

The number coming across remains high and many fewer are returning for even 
short visits because returning to the US is so expensive and risky.  The 
net result is that the number is illegals is growing.

All that fuss you heard about rotting crops is just that, fuss.  The 
growers want a guest worker program that forces the people to return south 
so the growers do not need to house then and allows them to pay sub minimum 
wages.

The big reason that fewer wanted to work the fields was because more jobs 
opened up in better paying fields such as construction.  Now that 
construction is dropping, many will return to the fields.  Construction 
permits in over built Riverside County dropped by half of what they were 
last year.



Don Bowen              Awl Knotted Up                       KI6DIU
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At 11/12/2006, you wrote:
>  In fact, in whole sections of the West Coast there was
> no work for pickers.

I have a good friend who farms about 150 acres in the Salinas Valley near 
Hollister.  His is a wholly organic operation.  He has had no problems 
getting labor, illegal and legal but the recent Spinach scare has harmed 
his operation and he has had to let some salad crops rot in the 
field.  Nothing about illegals, just the panic du jour.



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At 11/12/2006, you wrote:
> Yes, I know
> there's all the off-the-book stuff, but so far not much effort has
> been made to prosecute employers.

When he was senator, that former governor and wanna be president, Pete 
Wilson inserted language in the last immigration reform bill that 
effectively made it impossible for INS agents to go into a field and check 
residency status.



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In a message dated 11/12/2006 2:24:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
lurine AT softcom.net writes:

People  watch the ads on television and believe them.  They don't do their  
homework.  They go in the booth and mark the party line.  They  do NOT 
question authority!  P.S. has  succeeded!



I am afraid you are right, and the Democrats won as a result. We have  
watched a year of anti Bush ads and ads trying to tie various candidates to  Bush, 
since Bush was not running, he ran no ads at all. The various Republican  
candidates certainly did not run ads refuting the Anti Bush ads or they would  tie 
themselves to him. So after a year of everyone watching this, how could  
anyone do anything but vote for the Democrats. Now there is plenty of substance  to 
many of the claims against him, but the Dems are still the masters of the  
media.

Drew