RTP-area local music and culture

["Erich Peace" <floydianslip127 AT sbcglobal.net>]

As a none smoker I would love to be able to catch a smoke free show, But the
musician in me say's It just isn't Rock without beer and smokes.
 

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From: ch-scene-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org
[mailto:ch-scene-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Jeremy Blair
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 10:49 AM
To: RTP-area local music and culture
Subject: Re: Local 506 vs. Smoking

Poor smokers, they are so gun shy these days from heavy, heavy scrutiny and
sideways glances from non smokers that they are more uncomfortable when they
indeed can smoke. They just want to burn a few cigs without bothering
anyone. Give them a designated area or clearly pronounced rules and they'll
follow it happily. I don't smoke but I usually find myself outside with the
smokers just cause they have the best five minute conversations followed by
synchronized stamping of cig butts. They are happy out there, and happy
knowing that they aren't bothering anyone inside. Ban it I say.

On 8/22/07, David Bartholomew <dbartholomew AT gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I prefer my danger to accompany a PBR not a rifle, I do love Pogue 
> cover bands though...
>
> All I'm saying is that there is nothing wrong with a business 
> courting/servicing smokers. Perhaps a sign that reads 'Smoking
> Establishment: Enter at your own risk' and a disclosure statement on 
> all job applications and booking contracts that says the same legally.
>
> I'd still go to a non-smoking 506, and I'd understand any decision 
> based on health or business reasons. Owners and customers should have 
> a right to be either though, no? It's not a 'Right' to go to a 
> non-smoking 506, is it?
>
> D
>
> ps: don't even try to peg me as a libertarian...
>
>
> On 8/22/07, grady <grady AT ibiblio.org> wrote:
> >
> > If you want danger, have you considered 1 weekend a month and 2 
> > weeks a year in your local National Guard? I hear smokes are cheap 
> > at the PX ;-)
> >
> > I don't even think it's the hardcore pack-a-day smokers like Hepler 
> > who are the primary problem, it's the freaking "I only smoke when I 
> > go to bars" smokers who don't even inhale, they just light the 
> > fucking thing and then hold it at arm's length & periodically 
> > practice their ash-flicking skills. There are probably 2 of them for
every 1 Hepler.
> >
> > And the hardcore smokers are used to being forced to go stand in the 
> > rain to smoke, because they've been doing it at work for years now. 
> > The fashion smokers haven't had the opportunity to be trained . . .
> >
> > Hey Dave, how about we nonsmokers cede the Irish Pubs to you & your 
> > smoking posse? I'd happily let you have the James Joyce and The Bull 
> > McCabe's forever & ever amen. I hear the Joyce is even having bands 
> > now & then nowadays . . .
> >
> > David Bartholomew wrote:
> > > I have to say...I don't find the smell factor to be a convincing
> reason
> > at
> > > all. Clear the smoke and the 506 is still going to smell like 
> > > beer,
> > sweat,
> > > and piss. The health factors on the other hand are pretty straight
> > forward.
> > >
> > > So..if you are going to do it for health reasons, you pretty much 
> > > have
> > to
> > > ban smoking, not limit it to the bar. I can't imagine that passing
> > through
> > > that small space for drinks, bathroom  use, and enter/exit can be 
> > > much better for your lungs/heart.
> > >
> > > As a smoker, it is a bit sad to see all of these places go
> non-smoking.
> > > Where's the danger? Can't we have a rock club too? Can't the
> non-smokers
> > > stay home? If you can't smoke at the 506 at 1 am on a Friday night
> than
> > > where can you smoke FFS?
> > >
> > > There certainly are reasons to stay a smoking club and all of you 
> > > non-smokers know what you risk upon entry. Regardless, it is going 
> > > to
> > happen
> > > sooner or later anyways (even in NC) and it probably does make
> business
> > > sense. Maybe James and I should just finally quit.
> > >
> > > D
> > >
> > >
> > > On 8/22/07, Lisa Bachelder <lisa AT fuzzsonic.com> wrote:
> > >> Finally.  Baking AND rock.  My dream job.
> > >>
> > >> <sigh>
> > >>
> > >> lb
> > >>
> > >> grady wrote:
> > >>> But what if Glenn installed a little oven and just actually 
> > >>> *baked* cookies on & off throughout the evening? How many of 
> > >>> y'all would be irresistibly drawn to spend $1 on a piping-hot 
> > >>> chocolate-chip cookie
> > at
> > >>> 1:00 a.m.?
> > >>>
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