RTP-area local music and culture

[Duncan Murrell <dvmurrell AT nc.rr.com>]

I can get with Jeremy's program. Complete bans have not been a  
problem for me; I know the deal before I get there, and that's that.  
Though it would be cool if there were a couple of bars, not  
necessarily music clubs, that catered to smokers. I just sometimes  
like to have my cigarette with a beer or other glass of something  
nearby. I do not have to have a cigarette burning every second of  
every day, and I think you'll find that most smokers are the same way.


d


On Aug 22, 2007, at 10:48 AM, Jeremy Blair wrote:

> Poor smokers, they are so gun shy these days from heavy, heavy  
> scrutiny and
> sideways glances from non smokers that they are more uncomfortable  
> when they
> indeed can smoke. They just want to burn a few cigs without bothering
> anyone. Give them a designated area or clearly pronounced rules and  
> they'll
> follow it happily. I don't smoke but I usually find myself outside  
> with the
> smokers just cause they have the best five minute conversations  
> followed by
> synchronized stamping of cig butts. They are happy out there, and  
> happy
> knowing that they aren't bothering anyone inside. Ban it I say.
>
> On 8/22/07, David Bartholomew <dbartholomew AT gmail.com> wrote:
> > I prefer my danger to accompany a PBR not a rifle, I do love Pogue  
> > cover
> > bands though...
> >
> > All I'm saying is that there is nothing wrong with a business
> > courting/servicing smokers. Perhaps a sign that reads 'Smoking
> > Establishment: Enter at your own risk' and a disclosure statement  
> > on all
> > job
> > applications and booking contracts that says the same legally.
> >
> > I'd still go to a non-smoking 506, and I'd understand any decision  
> > based
> > on
> > health or business reasons. Owners and customers should have a  
> > right to be
> > either though, no? It's not a 'Right' to go to a non-smoking 506,  
> > is it?
> >
> > D
> >
> > ps: don't even try to peg me as a libertarian...
> >
> >
> > On 8/22/07, grady <grady AT ibiblio.org> wrote:
> > > If you want danger, have you considered 1 weekend a month and 2  
> > > weeks a
> > > year in your local National Guard? I hear smokes are cheap at the  
> > > PX ;-)
> > >
> > > I don't even think it's the hardcore pack-a-day smokers like  
> > > Hepler who
> > > are the primary problem, it's the freaking "I only smoke when I  
> > > go to
> > > bars" smokers who don't even inhale, they just light the fucking  
> > > thing
> > > and then hold it at arm's length & periodically practice their
> > > ash-flicking skills. There are probably 2 of them for every 1  
> > > Hepler.
> > >
> > > And the hardcore smokers are used to being forced to go stand in the
> > > rain to smoke, because they've been doing it at work for years  
> > > now. The
> > > fashion smokers haven't had the opportunity to be trained . . .
> > >
> > > Hey Dave, how about we nonsmokers cede the Irish Pubs to you & your
> > > smoking posse? I'd happily let you have the James Joyce and The Bull
> > > McCabe's forever & ever amen. I hear the Joyce is even having  
> > > bands now
> > > & then nowadays . . .
> > >
> > > David Bartholomew wrote:
> > > > I have to say...I don't find the smell factor to be a convincing
> > reason
> > > at
> > > > all. Clear the smoke and the 506 is still going to smell like beer,
> > > sweat,
> > > > and piss. The health factors on the other hand are pretty straight
> > > forward.
> > > > So..if you are going to do it for health reasons, you pretty  
> > > > much have
> > > to
> > > > ban smoking, not limit it to the bar. I can't imagine that passing
> > > through
> > > > that small space for drinks, bathroom  use, and enter/exit can  
> > > > be much
> > > > better for your lungs/heart.
> > > >
> > > > As a smoker, it is a bit sad to see all of these places go
> > non-smoking.
> > > > Where's the danger? Can't we have a rock club too? Can't the
> > non-smokers
> > > > stay home? If you can't smoke at the 506 at 1 am on a Friday night
> > than
> > > > where can you smoke FFS?
> > > >
> > > > There certainly are reasons to stay a smoking club and all of you
> > > > non-smokers know what you risk upon entry. Regardless, it is  
> > > > going to
> > > happen
> > > > sooner or later anyways (even in NC) and it probably does make
> > business
> > > > sense. Maybe James and I should just finally quit.
> > > >
> > > > D
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 8/22/07, Lisa Bachelder <lisa AT fuzzsonic.com> wrote:
> > > > > Finally.  Baking AND rock.  My dream job.
> > > > >
> > > > > <sigh>
> > > > >
> > > > > lb
> > > > >
> > > > > grady wrote:
> > > > > > But what if Glenn installed a little oven and just actually  
> > > > > > *baked*
> > > > > > cookies on & off throughout the evening? How many of y'all  
> > > > > > would be
> > > > > > irresistibly drawn to spend $1 on a piping-hot chocolate-chip  
> > > > > > cookie
> > > at
> > > > > > 1:00 a.m.?
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