From list at ginda.us Fri Jun 5 08:26:19 2020 From: list at ginda.us (Ginda Fisher) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2020 08:26:19 -0400 Subject: [nafex] no new growth on young apple? Message-ID: <3657EA4B-69D2-44F1-9283-8284701C4B28@ginda.us> I was hoping to get some new growth on this apple tree this spring, so I could use it as grafting stock. But every twig ends in a rosette, like the ones shown below, with nothing sprouting. Is there anything I can do? Would it help to cut the rosette off? Would it have helped if I did it earlier in the season? Anything else I could do to promote new growth? It?s an Ashmeads Kernel on G205, I think. It?s in a lousy spot, and won?t ever get enough sun. (Thus my interest in grafting it to something else, somewhere else.) Thanks for any advice, Ginda Fisher Eastern MA, zone 6 From jbarbowski at gmail.com Fri Jun 5 10:56:04 2020 From: jbarbowski at gmail.com (John Barbowski) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2020 10:56:04 -0400 Subject: [nafex] no new growth on young apple? In-Reply-To: <3657EA4B-69D2-44F1-9283-8284701C4B28@ginda.us> References: <3657EA4B-69D2-44F1-9283-8284701C4B28@ginda.us> Message-ID: *I have the same problem with a Honeycrisp on Bud 9!* *John Barbowski* *Zone 6B in Thornhill (just above Toronto)* *Ontario, Canada* On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 8:26 AM Ginda Fisher wrote: > > I was hoping to get some new growth on this apple tree this spring, so I > could use it as grafting stock. But every twig ends in a rosette, like the > ones shown below, with nothing sprouting. Is there anything I can do? Would > it help to cut the rosette off? Would it have helped if I did it earlier in > the season? Anything else I could do to promote new growth? > > It?s an Ashmeads Kernel on G205, I think. It?s in a lousy spot, and won?t > ever get enough sun. (Thus my interest in grafting it to something else, > somewhere else.) > > Thanks for any advice, > Ginda Fisher > Eastern MA, zone 6 > > > > > > __________________ > nafex mailing list > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: > https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > From list at ginda.us Fri Jun 5 11:01:11 2020 From: list at ginda.us (Ginda Fisher) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2020 11:01:11 -0400 Subject: [nafex] no new growth on young apple? In-Reply-To: <5fe79420-2965-8e51-8737-a504a427dd69@mebtel.net> References: <3657EA4B-69D2-44F1-9283-8284701C4B28@ginda.us> <5fe79420-2965-8e51-8737-a504a427dd69@mebtel.net> Message-ID: <7AAC606C-930B-44BB-8478-4741DCEDCC2C@ginda.us> Maybe this link will work? https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/19tocz71O8zdvoXngf1qYQwvWo10BcEeq?usp=sharing Yes, normal growth. At least, normal leaves, like at the end of a spur. It?s just that EVERY twig ends like that. > On Jun 5, 2020, at 10:49 AM, Elizabeth Hilborn wrote: > > Hi Ginda, > > The picture did not come through. > > When you say 'rosette' is it normal growth? > > On 6/5/2020 8:26 AM, Ginda Fisher wrote: >> I was hoping to get some new growth on this apple tree this spring, so I could use it as grafting stock. But every twig ends in a rosette, like the ones shown below, with nothing sprouting. Is there anything I can do? Would it help to cut the rosette off? Would it have helped if I did it earlier in the season? Anything else I could do to promote new growth? >> >> It?s an Ashmeads Kernel on G205, I think. It?s in a lousy spot, and won?t ever get enough sun. (Thus my interest in grafting it to something else, somewhere else.) >> >> Thanks for any advice, >> Ginda Fisher >> Eastern MA, zone 6 >> >> >> >> >> >> __________________ >> nafex mailing list >> nafex at lists.ibiblio.org >> Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters >> subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: >> https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > > > -- > Elizabeth Hilborn, DVM > Bee Well Mobile Veterinary Services, PLLC > beewellvet.com > From list at ginda.us Fri Jun 5 14:23:35 2020 From: list at ginda.us (Ginda Fisher) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2020 14:23:35 -0400 Subject: [nafex] no new growth on young apple? In-Reply-To: <7AAC606C-930B-44BB-8478-4741DCEDCC2C@ginda.us> References: <3657EA4B-69D2-44F1-9283-8284701C4B28@ginda.us> <5fe79420-2965-8e51-8737-a504a427dd69@mebtel.net> <7AAC606C-930B-44BB-8478-4741DCEDCC2C@ginda.us> Message-ID: Well, There was no clear apex, but one spur is a little higher than the others, and it had three leaf clusters emerging from it, and one of those had grown about half an inch. So I plucked off the other two clusters, in the hopes that one decides its the apex and grows a bit more. I also trimmed off the top of one twig, just above a bud. Maybe it will sprout? I left the rest of the tree alone. I?ll give it a bit more fertilizer and remove some of the weeds at it?s base, as well. Ginda > On Jun 5, 2020, at 11:01 AM, Ginda Fisher wrote: > > Maybe this link will work? > https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/19tocz71O8zdvoXngf1qYQwvWo10BcEeq?usp=sharing > > Yes, normal growth. At least, normal leaves, like at the end of a spur. It?s just that EVERY twig ends like that. > > >> On Jun 5, 2020, at 10:49 AM, Elizabeth Hilborn wrote: >> >> Hi Ginda, >> >> The picture did not come through. >> >> When you say 'rosette' is it normal growth? >> >> On 6/5/2020 8:26 AM, Ginda Fisher wrote: >>> I was hoping to get some new growth on this apple tree this spring, so I could use it as grafting stock. But every twig ends in a rosette, like the ones shown below, with nothing sprouting. Is there anything I can do? Would it help to cut the rosette off? Would it have helped if I did it earlier in the season? Anything else I could do to promote new growth? >>> >>> It?s an Ashmeads Kernel on G205, I think. It?s in a lousy spot, and won?t ever get enough sun. (Thus my interest in grafting it to something else, somewhere else.) >>> >>> Thanks for any advice, >>> Ginda Fisher >>> Eastern MA, zone 6 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> __________________ >>> nafex mailing list >>> nafex at lists.ibiblio.org >>> Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters >>> subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: >>> https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex >> >> >> -- >> Elizabeth Hilborn, DVM >> Bee Well Mobile Veterinary Services, PLLC >> beewellvet.com >> > > __________________ > nafex mailing list > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: > https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex From tomgaro at yahoo.com Fri Jun 5 15:48:26 2020 From: tomgaro at yahoo.com (tom garofalo) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2020 19:48:26 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [nafex] nafex Digest, Vol 239, Issue 3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <76771081.50266.1591386506389@mail.yahoo.com> You have a runty cultivar growing on a runty rootstock, probably growing in runty soil. In other words ,your tree is runted out. Happens all the time out here in the harsh conditions of the West. Something is making your roots unhappy. Take care of your roots first. Top growth follows root growth. Get rid of all the weeds, put compost down. Take off any fruit. Keep it moist. Next winter cut it back and maybe it will have enough root to send up some top growth. On Friday, June 5, 2020, 11:25:22 AM PDT, wrote: Send nafex mailing list submissions to ??? nafex at lists.ibiblio.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? nafex-request at lists.ibiblio.org You can reach the person managing the list at ??? nafex-owner at lists.ibiblio.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of nafex digest..." Today's Topics: ? 1. Re:? no new growth on young apple? (Ginda Fisher) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2020 14:23:35 -0400 From: Ginda Fisher To: NAFEX Fruit Explorers Subject: Re: [nafex] no new growth on young apple? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Well, There was no clear apex, but one spur is a little higher than the others, and it had three leaf clusters emerging from it, and one of those had grown about half an inch. So I plucked off the other two clusters, in the hopes that one decides its the apex and grows a bit more. I also trimmed off the top of one twig, just above a bud. Maybe it will sprout? I left the rest of the tree alone. I?ll give it a bit more fertilizer and remove some of the weeds at it?s base, as well. Ginda > On Jun 5, 2020, at 11:01 AM, Ginda Fisher wrote: > > Maybe this link will work? > https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/19tocz71O8zdvoXngf1qYQwvWo10BcEeq?usp=sharing > > Yes, normal growth. At least, normal leaves, like at the end of a spur. It?s just that EVERY twig ends like that. > > >> On Jun 5, 2020, at 10:49 AM, Elizabeth Hilborn wrote: >> >> Hi Ginda, >> >> The picture did not come through. >> >> When you say 'rosette' is it normal growth? >> >> On 6/5/2020 8:26 AM, Ginda Fisher wrote: >>> I was hoping to get some new growth on this apple tree this spring, so I could use it as grafting stock. But every twig ends in a rosette, like the ones shown below, with nothing sprouting. Is there anything I can do? Would it help to cut the rosette off? Would it have helped if I did it earlier in the season? Anything else I could do to promote new growth? >>> >>> It?s an Ashmeads Kernel on G205, I think. It?s in a lousy spot, and won?t ever get enough sun. (Thus my interest in grafting it to something else, somewhere else.) >>> >>> Thanks for any advice, >>> Ginda Fisher >>> Eastern MA, zone 6 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> __________________ >>> nafex mailing list >>> nafex at lists.ibiblio.org >>> Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters >>> subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: >>> https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex >> >> >> -- >> Elizabeth Hilborn, DVM >> Bee Well Mobile Veterinary Services, PLLC >> beewellvet.com >> > > __________________ > nafex mailing list > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: > https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer __________________ nafex mailing list nafex at lists.ibiblio.org Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex ------------------------------ End of nafex Digest, Vol 239, Issue 3 ************************************* From list at ginda.us Fri Jun 5 15:52:51 2020 From: list at ginda.us (Ginda Fisher) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2020 15:52:51 -0400 Subject: [nafex] nafex Digest, Vol 239, Issue 3 In-Reply-To: <76771081.50266.1591386506389@mail.yahoo.com> References: <76771081.50266.1591386506389@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Lol. The rootstock is G202, by the way, and yeah, that probably is a runty rootstock. In addition to all the other problems you mention, there?s not enough light in this spot. > On Jun 5, 2020, at 3:48 PM, tom garofalo via nafex wrote: > > You have a runty cultivar growing on a runty rootstock, probably growing in runty soil. In other words ,your tree is runted out. Happens all the time out here in the harsh conditions of the West. Something is making your roots unhappy. Take care of your roots first. Top growth follows root growth. Get rid of all the weeds, put compost down. Take off any fruit. Keep it moist. Next winter cut it back and maybe it will have enough root to send up some top growth. > On Friday, June 5, 2020, 11:25:22 AM PDT, wrote: > > Send nafex mailing list submissions to > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > nafex-request at lists.ibiblio.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > nafex-owner at lists.ibiblio.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of nafex digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: no new growth on young apple? (Ginda Fisher) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2020 14:23:35 -0400 > From: Ginda Fisher > To: NAFEX Fruit Explorers > Subject: Re: [nafex] no new growth on young apple? > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Well, > > There was no clear apex, but one spur is a little higher than the others, and it had three leaf clusters emerging from it, and one of those had grown about half an inch. So I plucked off the other two clusters, in the hopes that one decides its the apex and grows a bit more. > > I also trimmed off the top of one twig, just above a bud. Maybe it will sprout? > > I left the rest of the tree alone. I?ll give it a bit more fertilizer and remove some of the weeds at it?s base, as well. > > Ginda > > >> On Jun 5, 2020, at 11:01 AM, Ginda Fisher wrote: >> >> Maybe this link will work? >> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/19tocz71O8zdvoXngf1qYQwvWo10BcEeq?usp=sharing >> >> Yes, normal growth. At least, normal leaves, like at the end of a spur. It?s just that EVERY twig ends like that. >> >> >>> On Jun 5, 2020, at 10:49 AM, Elizabeth Hilborn wrote: >>> >>> Hi Ginda, >>> >>> The picture did not come through. >>> >>> When you say 'rosette' is it normal growth? >>> >>> On 6/5/2020 8:26 AM, Ginda Fisher wrote: >>>> I was hoping to get some new growth on this apple tree this spring, so I could use it as grafting stock. But every twig ends in a rosette, like the ones shown below, with nothing sprouting. Is there anything I can do? Would it help to cut the rosette off? Would it have helped if I did it earlier in the season? Anything else I could do to promote new growth? >>>> >>>> It?s an Ashmeads Kernel on G205, I think. It?s in a lousy spot, and won?t ever get enough sun. (Thus my interest in grafting it to something else, somewhere else.) >>>> >>>> Thanks for any advice, >>>> Ginda Fisher >>>> Eastern MA, zone 6 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> __________________ >>>> nafex mailing list >>>> nafex at lists.ibiblio.org >>>> Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters >>>> subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: >>>> https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Elizabeth Hilborn, DVM >>> Bee Well Mobile Veterinary Services, PLLC >>> beewellvet.com >>> >> >> __________________ >> nafex mailing list >> nafex at lists.ibiblio.org >> Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters >> subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: >> https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > __________________ > nafex mailing list > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: > https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > > > ------------------------------ > > End of nafex Digest, Vol 239, Issue 3 > ************************************* > > __________________ > nafex mailing list > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: > https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex From list at ginda.us Sun Jun 7 13:36:18 2020 From: list at ginda.us (Ginda Fisher) Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2020 13:36:18 -0400 Subject: [nafex] nafex Digest, Vol 239, Issue 3 In-Reply-To: References: <76771081.50266.1591386506389@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <31930F21-A6A3-4AA9-A609-B90FF6383744@ginda.us> Okay, I took your advice. I pulled out all the weeds near the base of the tree, gave it a few handfuls of ?plant-tone? fertilizer, covered it all with two layers of newspaper and some cedar mulch, and replaced the cage around it. also, > On Jun 5, 2020, at 2:23 PM, Ginda Fisher wrote: > > Well, > > There was no clear apex, but one spur is a little higher than the others, and it had three leaf clusters emerging from it, and one of those had grown about half an inch. So I plucked off the other two clusters, in the hopes that one decides its the apex and grows a bit more. > > I also trimmed off the top of one twig, just above a bud. Maybe it will sprout? Who knows, maybe the thing will decide to grow, this year or next. Sigh. I had really hoped to graft from it onto the two new rootstocks I planted this spring. At least those rootstocks are looking good. I?m impressed at how much growth is coming from the 14? twigs with two little stringy roots trailing off their bottoms. But they have both already put out several inches of top growth and probably as many leaves as the poor Ashmead. I haven?t dug up the roots, of course, but I assume they are growing as well. > On Jun 5, 2020, at 3:52 PM, Ginda Fisher wrote: > > Lol. > > The rootstock is G202, by the way, and yeah, that probably is a runty rootstock. > > In addition to all the other problems you mention, there?s not enough light in this spot. > >> On Jun 5, 2020, at 3:48 PM, tom garofalo via nafex wrote: >> >> You have a runty cultivar growing on a runty rootstock, probably growing in runty soil. In other words ,your tree is runted out. Happens all the time out here in the harsh conditions of the West. Something is making your roots unhappy. Take care of your roots first. Top growth follows root growth. Get rid of all the weeds, put compost down. Take off any fruit. Keep it moist. Next winter cut it back and maybe it will have enough root to send up some top growth. >> On Friday, June 5, 2020, 11:25:22 AM PDT, wrote: >> >> Send nafex mailing list submissions to >> nafex at lists.ibiblio.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> nafex-request at lists.ibiblio.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> nafex-owner at lists.ibiblio.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of nafex digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: no new growth on young apple? (Ginda Fisher) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2020 14:23:35 -0400 >> From: Ginda Fisher >> To: NAFEX Fruit Explorers >> Subject: Re: [nafex] no new growth on young apple? >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >> Well, >> >> There was no clear apex, but one spur is a little higher than the others, and it had three leaf clusters emerging from it, and one of those had grown about half an inch. So I plucked off the other two clusters, in the hopes that one decides its the apex and grows a bit more. >> >> I also trimmed off the top of one twig, just above a bud. Maybe it will sprout? >> >> I left the rest of the tree alone. I?ll give it a bit more fertilizer and remove some of the weeds at it?s base, as well. >> >> Ginda >> >> >>> On Jun 5, 2020, at 11:01 AM, Ginda Fisher wrote: >>> >>> Maybe this link will work? >>> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/19tocz71O8zdvoXngf1qYQwvWo10BcEeq?usp=sharing >>> >>> Yes, normal growth. At least, normal leaves, like at the end of a spur. It?s just that EVERY twig ends like that. >>> >>> >>>> On Jun 5, 2020, at 10:49 AM, Elizabeth Hilborn wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Ginda, >>>> >>>> The picture did not come through. >>>> >>>> When you say 'rosette' is it normal growth? >>>> >>>> On 6/5/2020 8:26 AM, Ginda Fisher wrote: >>>>> I was hoping to get some new growth on this apple tree this spring, so I could use it as grafting stock. But every twig ends in a rosette, like the ones shown below, with nothing sprouting. Is there anything I can do? Would it help to cut the rosette off? Would it have helped if I did it earlier in the season? Anything else I could do to promote new growth? >>>>> >>>>> It?s an Ashmeads Kernel on G205, I think. It?s in a lousy spot, and won?t ever get enough sun. (Thus my interest in grafting it to something else, somewhere else.) >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for any advice, >>>>> Ginda Fisher >>>>> Eastern MA, zone 6 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> __________________ >>>>> nafex mailing list >>>>> nafex at lists.ibiblio.org >>>>> Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters >>>>> subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: >>>>> https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Elizabeth Hilborn, DVM >>>> Bee Well Mobile Veterinary Services, PLLC >>>> beewellvet.com >>>> >>> >>> __________________ >>> nafex mailing list >>> nafex at lists.ibiblio.org >>> Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters >>> subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: >>> https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Subject: Digest Footer >> >> __________________ >> nafex mailing list >> nafex at lists.ibiblio.org >> Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters >> subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: >> https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> End of nafex Digest, Vol 239, Issue 3 >> ************************************* >> >> __________________ >> nafex mailing list >> nafex at lists.ibiblio.org >> Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters >> subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: >> https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > > __________________ > nafex mailing list > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: > https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex