From lfljvenaura at gmail.com Fri Mar 29 00:37:07 2019 From: lfljvenaura at gmail.com (Lawrence London) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2019 00:37:07 -0400 Subject: [nafex] Grapebreeders HomePage Message-ID: Grapebreeders HomePage http://www.ibiblio.org/grapebreeders/ *Soeren Larsen, Grapebreeders Website author Lon J. Rombough, Grapebreeders mailing list founder * These resources are no longer maintained. The mailing list at ibiblio and at Google groups are locked up so there is no way to download those message archives. I am downloading the entire Grapebreders website now so as to have it in case any Nafex people need it. *Grapebreeders Home Page* *Updated 9 - Apr -2006 * *Best view in 1280 x 1024* *Welcome to Grapebreeders, the web site of the Grape Breeders discussion forum.* The Grape Breeders discussion list was started on ibiblio.com in 2002, as a means for anyone interested in the breeding of grape varieties to contact each other and exchange ideas. Members range from novices who want to learn how to breed grapes, to experienced private breeders as well as university and other professional breeders. As the list grew, the members began to contribute an amazing collection of resources, including breeding records from private and university breeding programs, historical documents related to grapes and grape breeding, their own personal breeding experiences, and more. With so much material, it was apparent the group needed a website not just to store the material, but to make it readily available as a resource. After a couple of false starts, this website was started in December of 2005 and it is hoped it can be a repository of knowledge for anyone with an interest in breeding wine, table, and juice grapes and creating new varieties to extend the range and adaptibility of grape growing. *The Grape Breeders discussion list *itself, while accessible only to members, is open to anyone with a genuine interest in breeding new grapes. 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List of principal vine varieties and synonymous Liste des c?pages principaux et de leurs synonymes *Grape varieties -- crosses and and genetic composition* Parentship to some verities. (Little Fat Wino) Forschunganstalt Geisenheim The best Varieties from Gm. Grape Varieties for the Vinho Verde Ampelographic Description of some grapes in Portugal. Valpolicella Region Grape descriptions. Grape hybrid varieties and accessions' parentage and their genetic. . Compiled by: Dr. Michael J. Striem Protocol for Distinctness & Uniformiity (BBCH info by UPOV page 34) The protocol describes the technical procedures to be followed in order to meet Zadok Scale Zadok scale is very much like BBCH scale, by UPOV. (see above) Eichorn-Lorenz Stages in Shoot Development in the Grapevine The Eichorn-Lorenz scale is not the same as BBCH? Plant Sampling Instructions More about Zadoc. (not about grapes..) Lesser Known European Wine Grape Cultivars (quality of wine in %) Average wine quality of certain promising wine grape cultivars in the period 1992 - Budbreak and Harvest dates for 31 grape varieties The following graphs show the average date (Fig. 1) and range in dates Article about the "Rock Grape" Last year, Diane Pavek spent the summer exploring more than 12,000 miles The Atlas of Florida Vascular Plants Joint effort by the Institute of Systemic Botany GRIN The Germplasm Resources Information Network The PLANTS Database PLANTS is *your* national plant database. Growing Wine Grapes in Maritime Western Washington There are many unique features of growing wine grapes in western Washington, GermBanks (from Vitigen) National Germplasm Repository System .. Databases (from Vitigen) Large Online Databases, for Downloading or Browsing .. 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U of Minnesota has posted a pdf file of its 2005 grape breeding report Development and evaluation of cold hardy wine grape breeding selections and cultivars in the Upper Midwest Cornell University Geneva, NY Importation and evaluation of Eastern European Hybrid Grapes for Adaptability to Mid-western and Eastern Conditions The Super Gigantic Y2K Winegrape Glossary This great homepage must also have a place here .... Recommended Varieties for cultivation in Georgia 2002 Georgian Local Varieties of Vine, overview Phillip Wagners Grape collection Some good varieties descriptions Grape Expectations Until recent times any wine grape that could survive Minnesota?s harsh climate was celebrated *Private & breeders info:* SL-201-01 Pictures of Larsen's own Rondo x Regent. (Sorry only Danish) Single Bud Cutting. Pictures of Larsen's Single Bud Vine. 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Characteristics of the *Vitis* and the *Muscadinia* Section Finland & viticulture Finnish aspects of growing the vine and drinking wine Potential for extending Scandinavian wine cultivation Click under the "Full Text Access", button "Entire doc." Salem Glen Vineyard Rochester, Minnesota Arbotex and Grow Tube Pictures and Data Grape Breeding Infomation Resources Mark Hart's 'golden oldies' (reprints) Floridagrapes.com Welcome to Floridagrapes (as a grapebreeder, you have to know this page) USDA Zone Definitions Based on the average annual minimum temperature 1990 / 2004 climate zones See the zones change. 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Rapid propagation of grape planting stock Department of Viticulture & Enology, University of California, Davis, CA Propagating Greenwood Cuttings By Gary Mogren, Windwater Vineyard and Nursery Vineyard Rootstock Selection Rootstock selection is based on soil and climate conditions *Scientific Research & Technique * Comparative organization of chloroplast, mitochondrial and nuclear diversity in plant populations Not about grapes .... Plants offer excellent models to investigate how gene flow shapes the organization of genetic diversity. Diversifying Selection in Plant Breeding Not about grapes .... Here is the same Essay as a 4 Mbyte pdf file . Plantbreeding (from Vitigen) Not about grapes .... Cornell Electronic library Hedrick, U. P. 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The Effects of Cover Crops and Compost on Grapevine Nutrition Recent research has indicated that nitrogen (N) should be applied during Rootstock Dr. Carmo Vasconcelos, Oregon State University powerpoint show Soil water measurement Efficient irrigation requires a systematic water management program Pruning Strategy for Frost Protection The Illinois "Grape Communicator" newsletter May / June 2005 Pruning Grapevines in Michigan Pruning is the most important cultural practice in the management of grapevines Anatomy of Grapevine Winter Injury and Recovery Severely cold winter temperatures can significantly impact grapevine productivity A Guide for Missouri Growers : Cold Hardiness of Grapes Grapevine hardiness is a major factor in the selection of species and varieties "Grapevine Crown Gall" (a common problem with winter-injured trunks) Many times grapevines will experience some type of winter damage. 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An ambitious effort to study and implement various means of protecting *Vitis Vinifera* vines in a New England winter. *Research for Grape Culture * International Grape Genome Program Welcome to *www.vitaceae.org* the web site A gene controlling sex in grapevines Genetic maps of Vitis (2n = 38) have been constructed Seedlessness Character in Grapevine We have initiated a marker assisted selection program for seedlessness Grape Genetics: Research Reports from the Cornell Grape Breeding Program International Symposium on Grapevine Genetics and Breeding Online articles Scientific 2002 Symposium S05 A pdf file from a 2002 Viticulture symposium, with several items on grape breeding. The Small Fruits Review Monographic ?Separates? The Use of a Bud Freezing Technique to Determine the Hardiness of 20 Grape Genotypes Measuring Cold Hardiness in Woody Plants Cold hardiness is a key factor limiting the distribution and productivity of perennial horticultural plants in northern areas. Freezing Behaviors in Plant Tissues Freezing behaviours in plant tissues as visualized by NMR microscopy and their regulatory mechanisms General Genetics (from Vitigen) Introduction to General Genetics. Grape Genetics (from Vitigen) Genetics Applied to Grapes and Grape Development Genetic Engineering (from Vitigen) Genetic Engineering and Applications to Grapes Embryo Rescue (from Vitigen) Techniques for assisted reproduction of 'seedless' varieties. 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(I'm still spam free).* From alex at conev.org Fri Mar 29 21:01:42 2019 From: alex at conev.org (alexis) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2019 21:01:42 -0400 Subject: [nafex] Seckle or Calleryanna? Message-ID: <03d655fe-a479-92c4-4a33-f173a78bc419@conev.org> I was visiting a friend of mine today. She showed me her Seckle (Seckel) on calleryana rootstock. The tree was going up like a pine, and had lots of small flowers clustered very tightly. It looked in fact exactly like the flowering pear across the street (where all you can see this time of year is white...) I am wondering if somehow the roostock sprouted up and now the tree is the rootsock. I have a bunch of pear trees, and though there is a lot of variation in flower density, I don't have any that have anywhere near the density of small flowers that the flowering pears have. (I used to think I had a seckle, then I realized it was mis-labeled, though it makes fine fruit....) So, if this tree she has is really callery, I can wack it off and graft it into something edible. But can anybody tell me, given the limited information presented here, does a real seckle have a bloom density anywhere near a flowering pear? Thanks, Alexis From lpittman at murraystate.edu Fri Mar 29 22:59:04 2019 From: lpittman at murraystate.edu (Louis Pittman) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2019 21:59:04 -0500 Subject: [nafex] Seckle or Calleryanna? In-Reply-To: <03d655fe-a479-92c4-4a33-f173a78bc419@conev.org> References: <03d655fe-a479-92c4-4a33-f173a78bc419@conev.org> Message-ID: The bazillion or so 'volunteer' callery seedlings taking over the countryside are mostly pretty thorny. If this skyrocketing tree is even remotely thorny, I'd bet on it being callery rootstock, and not Seckel On Fri, Mar 29, 2019, 9:08 PM alexis wrote: > I was visiting a friend of mine today. She showed me her Seckle (Seckel) > on calleryana rootstock. The tree was going up like a pine, and had lots > of small flowers clustered very tightly. It looked in fact exactly like > the flowering pear across the street (where all you can see this time of > year is white...) I am wondering if somehow the roostock sprouted up and > now the tree is the rootsock. I have a bunch of pear trees, and though > there is a lot of variation in flower density, I don't have any that > have anywhere near the density of small flowers that the flowering pears > have. (I used to think I had a seckle, then I realized it was > mis-labeled, though it makes fine fruit....) > > So, if this tree she has is really callery, I can wack it off and graft > it into something edible. But can anybody tell me, given the limited > information presented here, does a real seckle have a bloom density > anywhere near a flowering pear? > > Thanks, > > Alexis > > __________________ > nafex mailing list > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: > https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > From sherwindu at att.net Sat Mar 30 00:23:01 2019 From: sherwindu at att.net (sherwin) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2019 23:23:01 -0500 Subject: [nafex] Seckle or Calleryanna? In-Reply-To: <03d655fe-a479-92c4-4a33-f173a78bc419@conev.org> References: <03d655fe-a479-92c4-4a33-f173a78bc419@conev.org> Message-ID: <2a7ec7fc-3662-40d6-28c6-67d6b53e3ace@att.net> On 3/29/2019 8:01 PM, alexis wrote: > I was visiting a friend of mine today. She showed me her Seckle > (Seckel) on calleryana rootstock. The tree was going up like a pine, > and had lots of small flowers clustered very tightly. It looked in > fact exactly like the flowering pear across the street (where all you > can see this time of year is white...) I am wondering if somehow the > roostock sprouted up and now the tree is the rootsock. I have a bunch > of pear trees, and though there is a lot of variation in flower > density, I don't have any that have anywhere near the density of small > flowers that the flowering pears have. (I used to think I had a > seckle, then I realized it was mis-labeled, though it makes fine > fruit....) > > So, if this tree she has is really callery, I can wack it off and > graft it into something edible. But can anybody tell me, given the > limited information presented here, does a real seckle have a bloom > density anywhere near a flowering pear? > > Thanks, > > Alexis > > __________________ > nafex mailing list > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: > https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > ??? Alex, ??? I also have a Seckel Pear and it does indeed put out a lot of blossoms. ??? Have you examined the graft union to see if a scion did indeed meld with the rootstock? ??? I would wait until the tree bears fruit before doing anything drastic. ???? The only cases I know of the root stock taking over is when the graft union is too low and ????? the rootstock starts to grow upwards anchored in the soil. Is there more than one branch ????? growing, possibly in addition to the scion? ???????????????? Sherwin Dubren From calebeugene at gmail.com Sat Mar 30 20:25:20 2019 From: calebeugene at gmail.com (Caleb Smith) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2019 20:25:20 -0400 Subject: [nafex] pear as rootstock In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi everyone, I don't post here much but i very much appreciate this forum! My uncle has been grafting like crazy on the bradford pear that is all over his land and is getting great results. He is now putting apple on the pear and getting good takes. I dont see this combo in the literature and was wondering if anyone has experience or knows the long term viability of this combination. Thanks for your response Caleb From sherwindu at att.net Sat Mar 30 22:52:34 2019 From: sherwindu at att.net (sherwin) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2019 21:52:34 -0500 Subject: [nafex] pear as rootstock In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 3/30/2019 7:25 PM, Caleb Smith wrote: > Hi everyone, > I don't post here much but i very much appreciate this forum! > My uncle has been grafting like crazy on the bradford pear that is all over > his land and is getting great results. He is now putting apple on the pear > and getting good takes. I dont see this combo in the literature and was > wondering if anyone has experience or knows the long term viability of this > combination. > Thanks for your response > Caleb > __________________ > nafex mailing list > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: > https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > ?? Hi Caleb, ??? Apples are not compatible with pear rootstock.? There may be an initial sign of growth, but it would be only ??? a matter of time before the graft union would fail.? Apple rootstocks are not that expensive, so rather than ??? put a lot of effort into a losing venture, start off right with the correct material. ???????????????? Sherwin Dubren From lpittman at murraystate.edu Sat Mar 30 23:23:55 2019 From: lpittman at murraystate.edu (Louis Pittman) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2019 22:23:55 -0500 Subject: [nafex] pear as rootstock In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Some apples and pears are long-term graft compatible - for instance, Winter Banana apple is well known to be compatible with many pears - and forms long-lived productive unions. Fertility pear is known to be compatible with apples. Others probably as well. But... as previously mentioned, initial success grafting apples onto pear or pear onto apple may give way to rapid decline in the grafted variety in short order. On Sat, Mar 30, 2019, 9:52 PM sherwin wrote: > On 3/30/2019 7:25 PM, Caleb Smith wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > I don't post here much but i very much appreciate this forum! > > My uncle has been grafting like crazy on the bradford pear that is all > over > > his land and is getting great results. He is now putting apple on the > pear > > and getting good takes. I dont see this combo in the literature and was > > wondering if anyone has experience or knows the long term viability of > this > > combination. > > Thanks for your response > > Caleb > > __________________ > > nafex mailing list > > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: > > https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > > > Hi Caleb, > > Apples are not compatible with pear rootstock. There may be an > initial sign of growth, but it would be only > > a matter of time before the graft union would fail. Apple > rootstocks are not that expensive, so rather than > > put a lot of effort into a losing venture, start off right with the > correct material. > > Sherwin Dubren > > __________________ > nafex mailing list > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: > https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > From organic87 at frontiernet.net Sun Mar 31 10:16:54 2019 From: organic87 at frontiernet.net (Road's End Farm) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 10:16:54 -0400 Subject: [nafex] list is alive! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I don't have any useful advice in the current discussion but would just like to say I'm really glad to see this list pop up in my mailbox again. Hi, everybody! -- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 6A now I think Fresh-market organic produce, small scale From loneroc1 at gmail.com Sun Mar 31 12:11:51 2019 From: loneroc1 at gmail.com (Steve Herje) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 11:11:51 -0500 Subject: [nafex] list is alive! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Howdy, I miss this forum. Facebook has ruined almost all the plant forums. Might be because I'm old, but I detest the behemoth: "Like I got this tree for my birthday. I think it's some kind of fruit tree, maybe an apple, or a peach. Can you tell me how I can care for it?" (Hello poster. Read a f***ing book.) And, "Here are twenty pictures of my flowers. It was a glorious day in the garden today. Oooo, 'poster', kudos to you. They are gorgeous! Wow, where do you find the time. Show us more pictures." I miss you guys. On Sun, Mar 31, 2019, 9:23 AM Road's End Farm wrote: > I don't have any useful advice in the current discussion but would just > like to say I'm really glad to see this list pop up in my mailbox again. > > Hi, everybody! > > > > > -- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 6A now I think > Fresh-market organic produce, small scale > > > > > __________________ > nafex mailing list > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: > https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > From pxbacher at gmail.com Sun Mar 31 12:16:24 2019 From: pxbacher at gmail.com (Peter Chrisbacher) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 12:16:24 -0400 Subject: [nafex] list is alive! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I also miss this list(serv). I am tempted to dream up a question just to keep it perking ;) -Pete 6b se PA On Sun, Mar 31, 2019, 12:12 PM Steve Herje wrote: > Howdy, I miss this forum. Facebook has ruined almost all the plant forums. > Might be because I'm old, but I detest the behemoth: > > "Like I got this tree for my birthday. I think it's some kind of fruit > tree, maybe an apple, or a peach. Can you tell me how I can care for it?" > (Hello poster. Read a f***ing book.) > > And, "Here are twenty pictures of my flowers. It was a glorious day in the > garden today. Oooo, 'poster', kudos to you. They are gorgeous! Wow, where > do you find the time. Show us more pictures." > > I miss you guys. > > On Sun, Mar 31, 2019, 9:23 AM Road's End Farm > wrote: > > > I don't have any useful advice in the current discussion but would just > > like to say I'm really glad to see this list pop up in my mailbox again. > > > > Hi, everybody! > > > > > > > > > > -- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 6A now I think > > Fresh-market organic produce, small scale > > > > > > > > > > __________________ > > nafex mailing list > > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: > > https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > > > __________________ > nafex mailing list > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: > https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > From mlevine at umich.edu Sun Mar 31 12:16:28 2019 From: mlevine at umich.edu (Mike Levine) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 12:16:28 -0400 Subject: [nafex] list is alive! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Agreed, I learned more about fruit from reading this list-serve than any other online source. I'm glad to see it still exists. Mike Levine Nature and Nurture Farm www.natureandnurtureseeds.com On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 12:12 PM Steve Herje wrote: > Howdy, I miss this forum. Facebook has ruined almost all the plant forums. > Might be because I'm old, but I detest the behemoth: > > "Like I got this tree for my birthday. I think it's some kind of fruit > tree, maybe an apple, or a peach. Can you tell me how I can care for it?" > (Hello poster. Read a f***ing book.) > > And, "Here are twenty pictures of my flowers. It was a glorious day in the > garden today. Oooo, 'poster', kudos to you. They are gorgeous! Wow, where > do you find the time. Show us more pictures." > > I miss you guys. > > On Sun, Mar 31, 2019, 9:23 AM Road's End Farm > wrote: > > > I don't have any useful advice in the current discussion but would just > > like to say I'm really glad to see this list pop up in my mailbox again. > > > > Hi, everybody! > > > > > > > > > > -- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 6A now I think > > Fresh-market organic produce, small scale > > > > > > > > > > __________________ > > nafex mailing list > > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: > > https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > > > __________________ > nafex mailing list > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: > https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > From organic87 at frontiernet.net Sun Mar 31 12:27:43 2019 From: organic87 at frontiernet.net (Road's End Farm) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 12:27:43 -0400 Subject: [nafex] list is alive! now peaches for erratic climate In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <53873DFE-AAB9-4DCB-A701-A8609238E258@frontiernet.net> > On Mar 31, 2019, at 12:16 PM, Peter Chrisbacher wrote: > > I also miss this list(serv). > > I am tempted to dream up a question just to keep it perking ;) > > -Pete > 6b se PA > OK, here's one: Climate here has become increasingly erratic. Overly warm winters followed by overly cold springs. Alternating flood and drought. Anybody know peach varieties with good flavor that stand up relatively well to wildly shifting weather? -- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 6A now I think Fresh-market organic produce, small scale From list at ginda.us Sun Mar 31 12:41:59 2019 From: list at ginda.us (Ginda Fisher) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 12:41:59 -0400 Subject: [nafex] How small can I keep an apple on g41? Message-ID: <4F749CF7-84FA-4CDE-9F91-826973E5E5FA@ginda.us> I, too, miss the list. And I have a question, too. I am expecting a karmijn de sonnaville apple tree grafted on g41 any day, now, and I'm wondering where to plant it. I built a cage for a dwarf cherry tree (Carmine Jewel), but the flavor is only so-so, and I'm thinking I might rip it out and use the cage for something else. The cage is about 5' wide, 4' deep, and hmm, maybe 8' tall. Could I maintain the apple tree in that space? -- Ginda typed with Swype, who knows what I intended. From alandhaigh at gmail.com Sun Mar 31 13:08:48 2019 From: alandhaigh at gmail.com (Alan Haigh) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 13:08:48 -0400 Subject: [nafex] 1. Re: list is alive! now peaches for erratic climate (Road's End Farm) Message-ID: Probably Paul Friday's varieties would perform relatively well there, but growing peaches organically is pretty his and miss and often the older varieties are more resistant to brown rot, which can make organic growing close to impossible for peaches. The Harrow Station varieties are often evaluated for BR resistance and a good one that is highly flavored and produces large fruit is Harcrest. Madison is another variety that is relatively winter hardy and resistant. Of course, if you have a lot of cloudy weather leading up to ripening peaches can be bland. Then the higher brix varieties can show their advantage. For me that includes several nectarine varieties, but organic growers probably shouldn't bother with nects. Some good ones, in sequence of ripening are Rich May (gives me flavorful but very small peaches in late June often before BR is a problem), Early Star, Red Haven (which you know), Ernie's Choice, Veteran, PF 27 and 28, Encore. If your season is long enough, Victoria provides me peaches in S. NY into Oct, ant they are pretty good. Another late and very unique white peach is Indian Free. Very late peaches are also less susceptible to BR, I think. From pxbacher at gmail.com Sun Mar 31 13:20:25 2019 From: pxbacher at gmail.com (Peter Chrisbacher) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 13:20:25 -0400 Subject: [nafex] Potted Arbequina Olive Message-ID: OK here's one that might even be worthy of the list... Last fall I purchased a small arbequina Olive rooted cutting. It's been growing in a sunny windowsill since fall and is now 6 in or so tall and has put on some new growth recently. Is anyone else on this list growing potted olives? I believe here in 6B I cannot plant it in the ground outside. Would love to hear thoughts on how to get this thing happy in a pot so we have some olives one of these years soon. -Pete 6b se PA From lfljvenaura at gmail.com Sun Mar 31 14:12:59 2019 From: lfljvenaura at gmail.com (Lawrence London) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 14:12:59 -0400 Subject: [nafex] list is alive! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 12:12 PM Steve Herje wrote: > Howdy, I miss this forum. Facebook has ruined almost all the plant forums. > Might be because I'm old, but I detest the behemoth: > > Farcebook is like a reeking landfill containing the remains of once-wonderful Internet discussion forums which had their subscribers siphoned of by the lure of a resource that completely failed to live up to the promise they expected. I go to my page and my computer all but locks up as Farcebook clogs my bandwidth with ads and other stuff I don;t want to see. Communication from friends is last on the list. -- Lawrence F. London, Jr. lfljvenaura at gmail.com Avant Geared avantgearedshop at gmail.com https://sites.google.com/site/avantgeared From mijwiz at yahoo.com Sun Mar 31 20:13:29 2019 From: mijwiz at yahoo.com (Melissa Kacalanos) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 20:13:29 -0400 Subject: [nafex] list is alive! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9E1E02B0-5265-4373-892D-01B98340863D@yahoo.com> Facebook didn?t absorb all the activity from this list. It?s not really a good replacement. https://growingfruit.org/ However, is a very active community, and I find the format more practical than an email list. Melissa in Georgia From lfljvenaura at gmail.com Sun Mar 31 21:07:41 2019 From: lfljvenaura at gmail.com (Lawrence London) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 21:07:41 -0400 Subject: [nafex] list is alive! In-Reply-To: <9E1E02B0-5265-4373-892D-01B98340863D@yahoo.com> References: <9E1E02B0-5265-4373-892D-01B98340863D@yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 8:13 PM Melissa Kacalanos via nafex < nafex at lists.ibiblio.org> wrote: > Facebook didn?t absorb all the activity from this list. It?s not really a > good replacement. > https://growingfruit.org/ > However, is a very active community, and I find the format more practical > than an email list. > That is a _really_ good format, one of the best I have seen. I am curious whether I can create one similar to that using Google Site. I will make that tonight's project. It will not be connected to this list or its mirror site. You will have to create an account and log in to participate. Actually I will create a new Google group and then when I have created the site I will give all subscriber permission to use all the features of the site. That is probably the best way to go about it. It gets around having to constantly revise the list of people who have full access and permissions (to create and edit pages and upload files) to the site. I will call it NAFE to avoid conflict with nafex. > > Melissa in Georgia > __________________ > nafex mailing list > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: > https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > -- Lawrence F. London, Jr. lfljvenaura at gmail.com Avant Geared avantgearedshop at gmail.com https://sites.google.com/site/avantgeared From mijwiz at yahoo.com Sun Mar 31 21:47:44 2019 From: mijwiz at yahoo.com (Melissa Kacalanos) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 21:47:44 -0400 Subject: [nafex] list is alive! In-Reply-To: References: <9E1E02B0-5265-4373-892D-01B98340863D@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1E6F9F34-FF11-475F-B5A6-993037AE17DA@yahoo.com> Or we could just move to growingfruit.org. It exists already, and it?s well-run, so I don?t see a need to duplicate its function under a different name. Not to discourage you if you want to make your own fruit forum. Melissa > That is a _really_ good format, one of the best I have seen. > I am curious whether I can create one similar to that using Google Site. From lfljvenaura at gmail.com Sun Mar 31 22:06:23 2019 From: lfljvenaura at gmail.com (Lawrence London) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 22:06:23 -0400 Subject: [nafex] list is alive! In-Reply-To: <1E6F9F34-FF11-475F-B5A6-993037AE17DA@yahoo.com> References: <9E1E02B0-5265-4373-892D-01B98340863D@yahoo.com> <1E6F9F34-FF11-475F-B5A6-993037AE17DA@yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 9:48 PM Melissa Kacalanos via nafex < nafex at lists.ibiblio.org> wrote: > Or we could just move to growingfruit.org. It exists already, and it?s > well-run, so I don?t see a need to duplicate its function under a different > name. > > Not to discourage you if you want to make your own fruit forum. > I am working on it, interested to see what it looks like and is at all useful. It turned out to be a Google Group using the webforum format. > > Melissa > > > > That is a _really_ good format, one of the best I have seen. > > I am curious whether I can create one similar to that using Google Site. > > > > __________________ > nafex mailing list > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: > https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > -- Lawrence F. London, Jr. lfljvenaura at gmail.com Avant Geared avantgearedshop at gmail.com https://sites.google.com/site/avantgeared From organic87 at frontiernet.net Sun Mar 31 22:10:13 2019 From: organic87 at frontiernet.net (Road's End Farm) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 22:10:13 -0400 Subject: [nafex] list is alive! In-Reply-To: References: <9E1E02B0-5265-4373-892D-01B98340863D@yahoo.com> <1E6F9F34-FF11-475F-B5A6-993037AE17DA@yahoo.com> Message-ID: If this is functional, why do we need to move anywhere? I don't particularly want to join Google, either. > On Mar 31, 2019, at 10:06 PM, Lawrence London wrote: > > On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 9:48 PM Melissa Kacalanos via nafex < > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org> wrote: > >> Or we could just move to growingfruit.org. It exists already, and it?s >> well-run, so I don?t see a need to duplicate its function under a different >> name. >> >> Not to discourage you if you want to make your own fruit forum. >> > > I am working on it, interested to see what it looks like and is at all > useful. It turned out to be a Google Group using the webforum format. > >> >> Melissa >> >> >>> That is a _really_ good format, one of the best I have seen. >>> I am curious whether I can create one similar to that using Google Site. >> >> From lfljvenaura at gmail.com Sun Mar 31 22:31:10 2019 From: lfljvenaura at gmail.com (Lawrence London) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 22:31:10 -0400 Subject: [nafex] list is alive! In-Reply-To: References: <9E1E02B0-5265-4373-892D-01B98340863D@yahoo.com> <1E6F9F34-FF11-475F-B5A6-993037AE17DA@yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 10:10 PM Road's End Farm wrote: > If this is functional, why do we need to move anywhere? > > I don't particularly want to join Google, either. > You do not have to have a Google account to join and use a Google Group. Here is the new webforum: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/nafe -- Lawrence F. London, Jr. lfljvenaura at gmail.com Avant Geared avantgearedshop at gmail.com https://sites.google.com/site/avantgeared From lfljvenaura at gmail.com Sun Mar 31 22:34:20 2019 From: lfljvenaura at gmail.com (Lawrence London) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 22:34:20 -0400 Subject: [nafex] list is alive! In-Reply-To: References: <9E1E02B0-5265-4373-892D-01B98340863D@yahoo.com> <1E6F9F34-FF11-475F-B5A6-993037AE17DA@yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 10:06 PM Lawrence London wrote: > > > On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 9:48 PM Melissa Kacalanos via nafex < > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org> wrote: > >> Or we could just move to growingfruit.org. It exists already, and it?s >> well-run, so I don?t see a need to duplicate its function under a different >> name. >> >> Not to discourage you if you want to make your own fruit forum. >> > > I am working on it, interested to see what it looks like and is at all > useful. It turned out to be a Google Group using the webforum format. > It took only a few minutes to set it up. nafe NAFE, Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters, is a companion webforum for the nafex list at ibiblio. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/nafe I can batch subscribe a large number of members from this list if that is what people want. LL -- Lawrence F. London, Jr. lfljvenaura at gmail.com Avant Geared avantgearedshop at gmail.com https://sites.google.com/site/avantgeared From rizzolori1 at gmail.com Sun Mar 31 23:43:08 2019 From: rizzolori1 at gmail.com (L.A. Rizzo) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 20:43:08 -0700 Subject: [nafex] list is alive! In-Reply-To: References: <9E1E02B0-5265-4373-892D-01B98340863D@yahoo.com> <1E6F9F34-FF11-475F-B5A6-993037AE17DA@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Well, I applied to join - I've been on other Google groups for projects. On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 7:34 PM Lawrence London wrote: > On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 10:06 PM Lawrence London > wrote: > > > > > > > On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 9:48 PM Melissa Kacalanos via nafex < > > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org> wrote: > > > >> Or we could just move to growingfruit.org. It exists already, and it?s > >> well-run, so I don?t see a need to duplicate its function under a > different > >> name. > >> > >> Not to discourage you if you want to make your own fruit forum. > >> > > > > I am working on it, interested to see what it looks like and is at all > > useful. It turned out to be a Google Group using the webforum format. > > > > It took only a few minutes to set it up. > > nafe > NAFE, Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters, is a companion webforum for > the nafex list at ibiblio. > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/nafe > > I can batch subscribe a large number of members from this list if that is > what people want. > > LL > > > -- > Lawrence F. London, Jr. > lfljvenaura at gmail.com > Avant Geared > avantgearedshop at gmail.com > https://sites.google.com/site/avantgeared > __________________ > nafex mailing list > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: > https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > -- Lori Rizzo, BSN MBA RN *Healthcare Quality & Performance Improvement* *Behavioral Dog Training & Counseling* *Heirloom & Unusual Vegetable Propagation* *Roseburg/Eugene, OR* *rizzolori1 at gmail.com * From organic87 at frontiernet.net Sun Mar 31 23:37:13 2019 From: organic87 at frontiernet.net (Road's End Farm) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 23:37:13 -0400 Subject: [nafex] list is alive! In-Reply-To: References: <9E1E02B0-5265-4373-892D-01B98340863D@yahoo.com> <1E6F9F34-FF11-475F-B5A6-993037AE17DA@yahoo.com> Message-ID: > On Mar 31, 2019, at 10:31 PM, Lawrence London wrote: > > You do not have to have a Google account to join and use a Google Group. OK but what was wrong with just reviving this list? From list at ginda.us Sun Mar 31 23:50:24 2019 From: list at ginda.us (Ginda Fisher) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 23:50:24 -0400 Subject: [nafex] list is alive! In-Reply-To: References: <9E1E02B0-5265-4373-892D-01B98340863D@yahoo.com> <1E6F9F34-FF11-475F-B5A6-993037AE17DA@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3F4899D6-C262-4069-8334-1354F539EF39@ginda.us> We may not have a source of new members. :( I'm happy to continue using this list. I also joined the "growing fruit" group, which seems large. I occasionally visit the nafex Facebook group, but i don't care for Facebook for this sort of thing. Too hard to search, for one. -- Ginda typed with Swype, who knows what I intended. On March 31, 2019 11:37:13 PM EDT, Road's End Farm wrote: > > >> On Mar 31, 2019, at 10:31 PM, Lawrence London >wrote: >> >> You do not have to have a Google account to join and use a Google >Group. > > >OK but what was wrong with just reviving this list? >__________________ >nafex mailing list >nafex at lists.ibiblio.org >Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters >subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: >https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex