From lfljvenaura at gmail.com Mon Apr 1 01:05:40 2019 From: lfljvenaura at gmail.com (Lawrence London) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2019 01:05:40 -0400 Subject: [nafex] list is alive! In-Reply-To: References: <9E1E02B0-5265-4373-892D-01B98340863D@yahoo.com> <1E6F9F34-FF11-475F-B5A6-993037AE17DA@yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 11:45 PM Road's End Farm wrote: > > > > On Mar 31, 2019, at 10:31 PM, Lawrence London > wrote: > > > > You do not have to have a Google account to join and use a Google Group. > > > OK but what was wrong with just reviving this list? > Not a thing wrong with that. I would be bummed out if lots of people left for other fruit forums. Its just a matter of my being obsessed with bells and whistles for online resources I manage. > __________________ > nafex mailing list > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: > https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > -- Lawrence F. London, Jr. lfljvenaura at gmail.com Avant Geared avantgearedshop at gmail.com https://sites.google.com/site/avantgeared From treehugger53ah at yahoo.com Mon Apr 1 11:27:46 2019 From: treehugger53ah at yahoo.com (Henry) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2019 15:27:46 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [nafex] list is alive! References: <744692596.14791996.1554132466619.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <744692596.14791996.1554132466619@mail.yahoo.com> I won't go to a google site. -------------------------------------------- On Sun, 3/31/19, Lawrence London wrote: Subject: Re: [nafex] list is alive! To: "mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters" Date: Sunday, March 31, 2019, 9:31 PM On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 10:10 PM Road's End Farm wrote: > If this is functional, why do we need to move anywhere? > > I don't particularly want to join Google, either. > You do not have to have a Google account to join and use a Google Group. Here is the new webforum: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/nafe -- Lawrence F. London, Jr. lfljvenaura at gmail.com Avant Geared avantgearedshop at gmail.com https://sites.google.com/site/avantgeared __________________ nafex mailing list nafex at lists.ibiblio.org Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex From treehugger53ah at yahoo.com Mon Apr 1 11:50:21 2019 From: treehugger53ah at yahoo.com (Henry) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2019 15:50:21 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [nafex] Potted Arbequina Olive References: <1356958039.14816438.1554133821342.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1356958039.14816438.1554133821342@mail.yahoo.com> Pete, Thanks for posting this question. I have not tried olives, but am interested in fruit that can be grown in containers. I really appreciate that you told us where you are in your post! --Henry Fieldseth Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA, zone 4 -------------------------------------------- On Sun, 3/31/19, Peter Chrisbacher wrote: Subject: [nafex] Potted Arbequina Olive To: "nafex mailing list at ibiblio" Date: Sunday, March 31, 2019, 12:20 PM OK here's one that might even be worthy of the list... Last fall I purchased a small arbequina Olive rooted cutting. It's been growing in a sunny windowsill since fall and is now 6 in or so tall and has put on some new growth recently. Is anyone else on this list growing potted olives? I believe here in 6B I cannot plant it in the ground outside. Would love to hear thoughts on how to get this thing happy in a pot so we have some olives one of these years soon. -Pete 6b se PA __________________ nafex mailing list nafex at lists.ibiblio.org Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex From organic87 at frontiernet.net Mon Apr 1 12:43:34 2019 From: organic87 at frontiernet.net (Road's End Farm) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2019 12:43:34 -0400 Subject: [nafex] peaches for erratic climate In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > On Mar 31, 2019, at 1:08 PM, Alan Haigh wrote: > > Probably Paul Friday's varieties would perform relatively well there, but > growing peaches organically is pretty his and miss and often the older > varieties are more resistant to brown rot, which can make organic growing > close to impossible for peaches. > > The Harrow Station varieties are often evaluated for BR resistance and a > good one that is highly flavored and produces large fruit is Harcrest. > > Madison is another variety that is relatively winter hardy and resistant. > > Of course, if you have a lot of cloudy weather leading up to ripening > peaches can be bland. Then the higher brix varieties can show their > advantage. For me that includes several nectarine varieties, but organic > growers probably shouldn't bother with nects. > > Some good ones, in sequence of ripening are Rich May (gives me flavorful > but very small peaches in late June often before BR is a problem), Early > Star, Red Haven (which you know), Ernie's Choice, Veteran, PF 27 and 28, > Encore. If your season is long enough, Victoria provides me peaches in S. > NY into Oct, ant they are pretty good. Another late and very unique white > peach is Indian Free. Very late peaches are also less susceptible to BR, I > think. Thanks, Alan. That looks useful. How small is Rich May? Do you think they're big enough to sell at market? Redhaven has indeed done relatively well for me. And you're also right that nectarines are a real problem for organic growers; that peach fuzz is protective, and organic fruit needs the protection. I had some nectarines many years ago, but took them out as all they were doing was spreading brown rot to everything else. I had some Harcrest years ago, but it didn't produce as good flavor for me as either Redhaven or Redskin. I wonder whether flavor on tree fruit is as variable by location as it is with tomatoes? -- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 6A now I think Fresh-market organic produce, small scale From organic87 at frontiernet.net Mon Apr 1 12:56:15 2019 From: organic87 at frontiernet.net (Road's End Farm) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2019 12:56:15 -0400 Subject: [nafex] list is alive! In-Reply-To: References: <9E1E02B0-5265-4373-892D-01B98340863D@yahoo.com> <1E6F9F34-FF11-475F-B5A6-993037AE17DA@yahoo.com> Message-ID: > On Mar 31, 2019, at 10:31 PM, Lawrence London wrote: > > You do not have to have a Google account to join and use a Google Group. I don't think that's true. > > Here is the new webforum: > > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/nafe > -- I went to that link; and discovered I couldn't even see the group, let alone post to it, unless I signed in. So I tried to sign in to it, and got as far as providing an email address: at which point I got "couldn't find your Google account" and couldn't go any further. So I don't think anyone without an account can even see the group (though as it offered to sign me in via an account with YouTube or other "Google product" it's possible that some people have an account but don't know it.) And I don't see how it's going to get us new members if only those who already know it's there (and have an account on top of that) can even see it. While I don't mean to denigrate your work on this, or your time and attention which are appreciated, I'm also puzzled that the reaction to a lot of people saying in effect 'wow! great! the email list is back!' is to promptly try to direct us all away from the email list and towards yet another possible diversion from it. -- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 6A now I think Fresh-market organic produce, small scale From naomi at oznayim.us Mon Apr 1 12:44:53 2019 From: naomi at oznayim.us (Naomi) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2019 10:44:53 -0600 Subject: [nafex] peaches for erratic climate In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Madison has really worked for me . Idaho Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Road's End Farm Sent: Monday, April 1, 2019 10:43 AM To: NAFEX email discussion group Subject: Re: [nafex] peaches for erratic climate > On Mar 31, 2019, at 1:08 PM, Alan Haigh wrote: > > Probably Paul Friday's varieties would perform relatively well there, but > growing peaches organically is pretty his and miss and often the older > varieties are more resistant to brown rot, which can make organic growing > close to impossible for peaches. > > The Harrow Station varieties are often evaluated for BR resistance and a > good one that is highly flavored and produces large fruit is Harcrest. > > Madison is another variety that is relatively winter hardy and resistant. > > Of course, if you have a lot of cloudy weather leading up to ripening > peaches can be bland. Then the higher brix varieties can show their > advantage. For me that includes several nectarine varieties, but organic > growers probably shouldn't bother with nects. > > Some good ones, in sequence of ripening are Rich May (gives me flavorful > but very small peaches in late June often before BR is a problem), Early > Star, Red Haven (which you know), Ernie's Choice, Veteran, PF 27 and 28, > Encore. If your season is long enough, Victoria provides me peaches in S. > NY into Oct, ant they are pretty good. Another late and very unique white > peach is Indian Free. Very late peaches are also less susceptible to BR, I > think. Thanks, Alan. That looks useful. How small is Rich May? Do you think they're big enough to sell at market? Redhaven has indeed done relatively well for me. And you're also right that nectarines are a real problem for organic growers; that peach fuzz is protective, and organic fruit needs the protection. I had some nectarines many years ago, but took them out as all they were doing was spreading brown rot to everything else. I had some Harcrest years ago, but it didn't produce as good flavor for me as either Redhaven or Redskin. I wonder whether flavor on tree fruit is as variable by location as it is with tomatoes? -- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 6A now I think Fresh-market organic produce, small scale __________________ nafex mailing list nafex at lists.ibiblio.org Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex From lfljvenaura at gmail.com Mon Apr 1 14:39:13 2019 From: lfljvenaura at gmail.com (Lawrence London) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2019 14:39:13 -0400 Subject: [nafex] list is alive! In-Reply-To: References: <9E1E02B0-5265-4373-892D-01B98340863D@yahoo.com> <1E6F9F34-FF11-475F-B5A6-993037AE17DA@yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 12:56 PM Road's End Farm wrote: > > > > On Mar 31, 2019, at 10:31 PM, Lawrence London > wrote: > > > > You do not have to have a Google account to join and use a Google Group. > > I don't think that's true. > > > > > Here is the new webforum: > > > > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/nafe < > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/nafe> > > -- > > I went to that link; and discovered I couldn't even see the group, let > alone post to it, unless I signed in. So I tried to sign in to it, and got > as far as providing an email address: at which point I got "couldn't find > your Google account" and couldn't go any further. > > I had forgotten about the issue with non gmail accounts. I am sure Google has their reasons for this. I found this option and am curious whether it works, it would be really useful to know. It supposedly allows you to use your current email address (i.e. a non-Gmail one) to create the required Google account without having to have a Gmail email address. https://accounts.google.com/signup/v2/webcreateaccount?continue=https%3A%2F%2Faccounts.google.com%2FManageAccount&flowName=GlifWebSignIn&flowEntry=SignUp This must work and is acceptable to those who use this method because I just created a new Google Group for the people who were subscribed to Sanet-MG which has now ended. I just looked at the member list and ovr one third of subscribers have non Gmail addresses. Would you try this out and let me know if it works for you? NAFE is an experiment to see if the webforum format option for a Google Group works for people and is at all useful. Non gmail users not being able to use Groups is unacceptable so there must be a workaround. > So I don't think anyone without an account can even see the group It is not a public group, only for subscribers. > (though as it offered to sign me in via an account with YouTube or other > "Google product" it's possible that some people have an account but don't > know it.) And I don't see how it's going to get us new members if only > those who already know it's there (and have an account on top of that) can > even see it. > > While I don't mean to denigrate your work on this, or your time and > attention which are appreciated, I'm also puzzled that the reaction to a > lot of people saying in effect 'wow! great! the email list is back!' is to > promptly try to direct us all away from the email list and towards yet > another possible diversion from it. > > > > > -- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 6A now I think > Fresh-market organic produce, small scale > > > > > __________________ > nafex mailing list > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: > https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > -- Lawrence F. London, Jr. lfljvenaura at gmail.com Avant Geared avantgearedshop at gmail.com https://sites.google.com/site/avantgeared From bassgarden at gmail.com Mon Apr 1 15:11:13 2019 From: bassgarden at gmail.com (Bass S) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2019 15:11:13 -0400 Subject: [nafex] Jerry Lehman Message-ID: <6ED1612E-1456-436A-918F-0A2B0814D634@gmail.com> In case you didn?t know, he?s been a long time Nafex member. ?We are sorry to report that pawpaw and persimmon breeder Jerry Lehman, 82, of Terre Haute, Indiana passed away this morning following a farm accident last week. Jerry will be greatly missed by all, but his contributions to the pawpaw and persimmon world will live on.? Thank you, Bass From lfljvenaura at gmail.com Mon Apr 1 15:16:29 2019 From: lfljvenaura at gmail.com (Lawrence London) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2019 15:16:29 -0400 Subject: [nafex] General Fruit Resources - Reference - Growing Fruit Message-ID: General Fruit Resources - Reference - Growing Fruit https://growingfruit.org/t/general-fruit-resources/7059 From pxbacher at gmail.com Mon Apr 1 15:27:31 2019 From: pxbacher at gmail.com (Peter Chrisbacher) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2019 15:27:31 -0400 Subject: [nafex] Jerry Lehman In-Reply-To: <6ED1612E-1456-436A-918F-0A2B0814D634@gmail.com> References: <6ED1612E-1456-436A-918F-0A2B0814D634@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thank you for letting us know, Bass. I'm so sorry to hear - Jerry was so helpful and such a huge contributor and source of knowledge. I will miss him and I'm sorry I never got a chance to meet him in person. -Pete On Mon, Apr 1, 2019, 3:11 PM Bass S wrote: > In case you didn?t know, he?s been a long time Nafex member. > ?We are sorry to report that pawpaw and persimmon breeder Jerry Lehman, > 82, of Terre Haute, Indiana passed away this morning following a farm > accident last week. Jerry will be greatly missed by all, but his > contributions to the pawpaw and persimmon world will live on.? > > Thank you, > Bass > > __________________ > nafex mailing list > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: > https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > From filtertitle at gmail.com Mon Apr 1 15:31:01 2019 From: filtertitle at gmail.com (Steven Covacci) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2019 15:31:01 -0400 Subject: [nafex] Jerry Lehman In-Reply-To: References: <6ED1612E-1456-436A-918F-0A2B0814D634@gmail.com> Message-ID: This is horrible. I hope that Barbara will be ok. I was just speaking with Jerry a few weeks ago about plans to get the important cultivars over to my farm to goal of preserving Claypool's and Jerry's work. I will miss Jerry very much. Steve Covacci > On Apr 1, 2019, at 3:27 PM, Peter Chrisbacher wrote: > > Thank you for letting us know, Bass. I'm so sorry to hear - Jerry was so > helpful and such a huge contributor and source of knowledge. I will miss > him and I'm sorry I never got a chance to meet him in person. > > -Pete > >> On Mon, Apr 1, 2019, 3:11 PM Bass S wrote: >> >> In case you didn?t know, he?s been a long time Nafex member. >> ?We are sorry to report that pawpaw and persimmon breeder Jerry Lehman, >> 82, of Terre Haute, Indiana passed away this morning following a farm >> accident last week. Jerry will be greatly missed by all, but his >> contributions to the pawpaw and persimmon world will live on.? >> >> Thank you, >> Bass >> >> __________________ >> nafex mailing list >> nafex at lists.ibiblio.org >> Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters >> subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: >> https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex >> > __________________ > nafex mailing list > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: > https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex From organic87 at frontiernet.net Mon Apr 1 15:41:12 2019 From: organic87 at frontiernet.net (Road's End Farm) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2019 15:41:12 -0400 Subject: [nafex] Jerry Lehman In-Reply-To: <6ED1612E-1456-436A-918F-0A2B0814D634@gmail.com> References: <6ED1612E-1456-436A-918F-0A2B0814D634@gmail.com> Message-ID: <957433D0-9E27-482D-AC0F-82037BD47062@frontiernet.net> I'm very sorry to hear that. But thank you for letting us know. > On Apr 1, 2019, at 3:11 PM, Bass S wrote: > > In case you didn?t know, he?s been a long time Nafex member. > ?We are sorry to report that pawpaw and persimmon breeder Jerry Lehman, 82, of Terre Haute, Indiana passed away this morning following a farm accident last week. Jerry will be greatly missed by all, but his contributions to the pawpaw and persimmon world will live on.? > > Thank you, > Bass > From organic87 at frontiernet.net Mon Apr 1 15:52:58 2019 From: organic87 at frontiernet.net (Road's End Farm) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2019 15:52:58 -0400 Subject: [nafex] list is alive! In-Reply-To: References: <9E1E02B0-5265-4373-892D-01B98340863D@yahoo.com> <1E6F9F34-FF11-475F-B5A6-993037AE17DA@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2526E816-6C8F-4D17-9143-5831A17C3999@frontiernet.net> > On Apr 1, 2019, at 2:39 PM, Lawrence London wrote: > >> >> >> > I had forgotten about the issue with non gmail accounts. I am sure Google > has their reasons for this. I found this option and am curious whether it > works, it would be really useful to know. > It supposedly allows you to use your current email address (i.e. a > non-Gmail one) to create the required Google account without having to have > a Gmail email address. > https://accounts.google.com/signup/v2/webcreateaccount?continue=https%3A%2F%2Faccounts.google.com%2FManageAccount&flowName=GlifWebSignIn&flowEntry=SignUp > This must work and is acceptable to those who use this method because I > just created a new Google Group for the people who were subscribed to > Sanet-MG which has now ended. I just looked at the member list and ovr one > third of subscribers have non Gmail addresses. > Would you try this out and let me know if it works for you? > NAFE is an experiment to see if the webforum format option for a Google > Group works for people and is at all useful. > Non gmail users not being able to use Groups is unacceptable so there must > be a workaround. > You're misunderstood me. The issue isn't that I can't create a Google account. The issue is that I don't want to create a Google account. I'm trying to as much as possible minimize the number of accounts I have online. I would rather not get tangled up with Facebook, with Google, with any of these people. Avoiding them entirely and still having reasonable communications may not be possible, but I don't want to do any more of it than I have to. Please do not create any accounts for me anywhere without my explicit agreement -- in fact if it's possible for you to do that, that would be pretty unnerving. -- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 6A now I think Fresh-market organic produce, small scale From ehilborn at mebtel.net Mon Apr 1 16:03:17 2019 From: ehilborn at mebtel.net (ehilborn at mebtel.net) Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2019 16:03:17 -0400 Subject: [nafex] Jerry Lehman Message-ID: Bad news indeed. I learned a lot from Jerry. Thanks Bass.Betsy Hilborn?Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note? 3, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Bass S Date: 04/01/2019 3:11 PM (GMT-05:00) To: nafex at lists.ibiblio.org Subject: [nafex] Jerry Lehman In case you didn?t know, he?s been a long time Nafex member. ?We are sorry to report that pawpaw and persimmon breeder Jerry Lehman, 82, of Terre Haute, Indiana passed away this morning following a farm accident last week. Jerry will be greatly missed by all, but his contributions to the pawpaw and persimmon world will live on.?Thank you,Bass__________________nafex mailing listnafex at lists.ibiblio.orgNorthamerican Allied Fruit Experimenterssubscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info:https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex From rosholdt at erols.com Mon Apr 1 16:06:22 2019 From: rosholdt at erols.com (Rosholdt) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2019 16:06:22 -0400 Subject: [nafex] Jerry's Passing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4535e608-8546-56b6-9190-bf486d17457f@erols.com> I am sorry to hear of Jerry Lehman's death.? We will miss him! He will leave a gaping hole in the Fruit and Nut Grower network. Barbara Rosholdt From lostman_amiga at yahoo.com Mon Apr 1 17:04:30 2019 From: lostman_amiga at yahoo.com (rob hamilton) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2019 21:04:30 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [nafex] Jerry Lehman In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <353608134.15079134.1554152670685@mail.yahoo.com> Wow,? this news has really?hit me. I was just thinking of him a little while ago. I should have called him.? Jerry was always?very kind to me and others in the?group.? He was always?so ubiquitous at the meeting, I find it hard to think he would not be around to give sage advice. He was my introduction to the nut growers group and I?always wanted to work with him on some persimmon and pawpaw?projects. He really lived his life doing what he loved and had so much knowledge?to share. Whoever carries on his work has some big shoes to fill. Robert -------------------------------------------- Now Zone 8a!! Atlanta, GA Atlanta Fruits Club ?? ?? http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Atlanta_Fruits/ North American Fruit Explorers (NAFEX) ?? www.NAFEX.org Southern Fruit Fellowship (SFF)??? http://southernfruitfellowship.wordpress.com/ California Rare Fruit Growers ?? www.crfg.org On Monday, April 1, 2019, 4:03:58 PM EDT, ehilborn at mebtel.net wrote: ? ? Bad news indeed. I learned a lot from Jerry. Thanks Bass.Betsy Hilborn?Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note? 3, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Bass S Date: 04/01/2019? 3:11 PM? (GMT-05:00) To: nafex at lists.ibiblio.org Subject: [nafex] Jerry Lehman In case you didn?t know, he?s been a long time Nafex member. ?We are sorry to report that pawpaw and persimmon breeder Jerry Lehman, 82, of Terre Haute, Indiana passed away this morning following a farm accident last week. Jerry will be greatly missed by all, but his contributions to the pawpaw and persimmon world will live on.?Thank you,Bass__________________nafex mailing listnafex at lists.ibiblio.orgNorthamerican Allied Fruit Experimenterssubscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info:https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex __________________ nafex mailing list nafex at lists.ibiblio.org Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex From dyerja at health.missouri.edu Mon Apr 1 17:13:21 2019 From: dyerja at health.missouri.edu (Dyer, Jon A.) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2019 21:13:21 +0000 Subject: [nafex] nafex Digest, Vol 226, Issue 9 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7dbd33cfbb324709be840abc008eb535@health.missouri.edu> Really sorry to hear this - he was a true force of nature. Such a major force. Jonathan A. Dyer Columbia, MO. ________________________________ From: nafex on behalf of nafex-request at lists.ibiblio.org Sent: Monday, April 1, 2019 4:04:33 PM To: nafex at lists.ibiblio.org Subject: nafex Digest, Vol 226, Issue 9 Send nafex mailing list submissions to nafex at lists.ibiblio.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to nafex-request at lists.ibiblio.org You can reach the person managing the list at nafex-owner at lists.ibiblio.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of nafex digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Jerry Lehman (rob hamilton) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2019 21:04:30 +0000 (UTC) From: rob hamilton To: mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters Subject: Re: [nafex] Jerry Lehman Message-ID: <353608134.15079134.1554152670685 at mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Wow,? this news has really?hit me. I was just thinking of him a little while ago. I should have called him.? Jerry was always?very kind to me and others in the?group.? He was always?so ubiquitous at the meeting, I find it hard to think he would not be around to give sage advice. He was my introduction to the nut growers group and I?always wanted to work with him on some persimmon and pawpaw?projects. He really lived his life doing what he loved and had so much knowledge?to share. Whoever carries on his work has some big shoes to fill. Robert -------------------------------------------- Now Zone 8a!! Atlanta, GA Atlanta Fruits Club ?? ?? http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Atlanta_Fruits/ North American Fruit Explorers (NAFEX) ?? www.NAFEX.org Southern Fruit Fellowship (SFF)??? http://southernfruitfellowship.wordpress.com/ California Rare Fruit Growers ?? www.crfg.org On Monday, April 1, 2019, 4:03:58 PM EDT, ehilborn at mebtel.net wrote: ? ? Bad news indeed. I learned a lot from Jerry. Thanks Bass.Betsy Hilborn?Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note? 3, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Bass S Date: 04/01/2019? 3:11 PM? (GMT-05:00) To: nafex at lists.ibiblio.org Subject: [nafex] Jerry Lehman In case you didn?t know, he?s been a long time Nafex member. ?We are sorry to report that pawpaw and persimmon breeder Jerry Lehman, 82, of Terre Haute, Indiana passed away this morning following a farm accident last week. Jerry will be greatly missed by all, but his contributions to the pawpaw and persimmon world will live on.?Thank you,Bass__________________nafex mailing listnafex at lists.ibiblio.orgNorthamerican Allied Fruit Experimenterssubscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info:https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex __________________ nafex mailing list nafex at lists.ibiblio.org Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer __________________ nafex mailing list nafex at lists.ibiblio.org Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex ------------------------------ End of nafex Digest, Vol 226, Issue 9 ************************************* From jakuehn at verizon.net Mon Apr 1 17:19:51 2019 From: jakuehn at verizon.net (Jacquelyn Kuehn) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2019 17:19:51 -0400 Subject: [nafex] Jerry Message-ID: <4CA5B8BD-8259-4520-8CC0-27F5B44B346D@verizon.net> That is so very, very sad. Thanks for letting us know. Jacquelyn A. Kuehn > On Apr 1, 2019, at 4:26 PM, nafex-request at lists.ibiblio.org wrote: > > Send nafex mailing list submissions to > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > nafex-request at lists.ibiblio.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > nafex-owner at lists.ibiblio.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of nafex digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Jerry Lehman (ehilborn at mebtel.net) > 2. Jerry's Passing (Rosholdt) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2019 16:03:17 -0400 > From: "ehilborn at mebtel.net" > To: mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > > Subject: Re: [nafex] Jerry Lehman > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > > > Bad news indeed. I learned a lot from Jerry. Thanks Bass.Betsy Hilborn?Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note? 3, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Bass S > Date: 04/01/2019 3:11 PM (GMT-05:00) > To: nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Subject: [nafex] Jerry Lehman > > In case you didn?t know, he?s been a long time Nafex member. ?We are sorry to report that pawpaw and persimmon breeder Jerry Lehman, 82, of Terre Haute, Indiana passed away this morning following a farm accident last week. Jerry will be greatly missed by all, but his contributions to the pawpaw and persimmon world will live on.?Thank you,Bass__________________nafex mailing listnafex at lists.ibiblio.orgNorthamerican Allied Fruit Experimenterssubscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info:https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2019 16:06:22 -0400 > From: Rosholdt > To: nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Subject: [nafex] Jerry's Passing > Message-ID: <4535e608-8546-56b6-9190-bf486d17457f at erols.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > > I am sorry to hear of Jerry Lehman's death.? We will miss him! He will > leave a gaping hole in the Fruit and Nut Grower network. > > Barbara Rosholdt > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > __________________ > nafex mailing list > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: > https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > > > ------------------------------ > > End of nafex Digest, Vol 226, Issue 8 > ************************************* From leeareich at gmail.com Mon Apr 1 17:31:39 2019 From: leeareich at gmail.com (Lee Reich) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2019 17:31:39 -0400 Subject: [nafex] Jerry Lehman In-Reply-To: <353608134.15079134.1554152670685@mail.yahoo.com> References: <353608134.15079134.1554152670685@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: What can I say? Very sad. I feel very lucky to have made it out to his house to visit him years ago, after the NAFEX meeting at Purdue University. He was so willing to share his knowledge. Lee Reich, PhD Come visit my farmden at http://www.leereich.com/blog http://leereich.com Books by Lee Reich: ?The Ever Curious Gardener: Using a Little Natural Science for a Much Better Garden ?A Northeast Gardener?s Year ?The Pruning Book ?Weedless Gardening ?Uncommon Fruits for every Garden ?Landscaping with Fruit ?Grow Fruit Naturally > On Apr 1, 2019, at 5:04 PM, rob hamilton via nafex wrote: > > Wow, this news has really hit me. I was just thinking of him a little while ago. I should have called him. Jerry was always very kind to me and others in the group. He was always so ubiquitous at the meeting, I find it hard to think he would not be around to give sage advice. He was my introduction to the nut growers group and I always wanted to work with him on some persimmon and pawpaw projects. > He really lived his life doing what he loved and had so much knowledge to share. Whoever carries on his work has some big shoes to fill. > Robert > -------------------------------------------- > Now Zone 8a!! Atlanta, GA > > Atlanta Fruits Club > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Atlanta_Fruits/ > North American Fruit Explorers (NAFEX) > www.NAFEX.org > Southern Fruit Fellowship (SFF) http://southernfruitfellowship.wordpress.com/ > California Rare Fruit Growers > www.crfg.org > > > > On Monday, April 1, 2019, 4:03:58 PM EDT, ehilborn at mebtel.net wrote: > > > > Bad news indeed. I learned a lot from Jerry. Thanks Bass.Betsy Hilborn Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note? 3, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Bass S > Date: 04/01/2019 3:11 PM (GMT-05:00) > To: nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Subject: [nafex] Jerry Lehman > > In case you didn?t know, he?s been a long time Nafex member. ?We are sorry to report that pawpaw and persimmon breeder Jerry Lehman, 82, of Terre Haute, Indiana passed away this morning following a farm accident last week. Jerry will be greatly missed by all, but his contributions to the pawpaw and persimmon world will live on.?Thank you,Bass__________________nafex mailing listnafex at lists.ibiblio.orgNorthamerican Allied Fruit Experimenterssubscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info:https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > __________________ > nafex mailing list > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: > https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > > __________________ > nafex mailing list > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: > https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex From lfljvenaura at gmail.com Mon Apr 1 17:43:57 2019 From: lfljvenaura at gmail.com (Lawrence London) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2019 17:43:57 -0400 Subject: [nafex] list is alive! In-Reply-To: <2526E816-6C8F-4D17-9143-5831A17C3999@frontiernet.net> References: <9E1E02B0-5265-4373-892D-01B98340863D@yahoo.com> <1E6F9F34-FF11-475F-B5A6-993037AE17DA@yahoo.com> <2526E816-6C8F-4D17-9143-5831A17C3999@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 3:53 PM Road's End Farm wrote: > > Please do not create any accounts for me anywhere without my explicit > agreement -- in fact if it's possible for you to do that, that would be > pretty unnerving. > Sorry, that's not my thing. I didn't spend thousands of hours and dollars since 1988 voluntarily creating and maintaining online agriculture resources to encounter such an implied accusation. Not directed at you but a hilarious sign that hung an the local Graveley Tractor dealership in my area: "Have a problem with our service? Go to Helen Waite, head of our complaints department. Cheers -- Lawrence F. London, Jr. lfljvenaura at gmail.com Avant Geared avantgearedshop at gmail.com https://sites.google.com/site/avantgeared From organic87 at frontiernet.net Mon Apr 1 17:49:01 2019 From: organic87 at frontiernet.net (Road's End Farm) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2019 17:49:01 -0400 Subject: [nafex] list is alive! In-Reply-To: References: <9E1E02B0-5265-4373-892D-01B98340863D@yahoo.com> <1E6F9F34-FF11-475F-B5A6-993037AE17DA@yahoo.com> <2526E816-6C8F-4D17-9143-5831A17C3999@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <5E2E15C4-8AEA-4B05-9D77-0F4724A84316@frontiernet.net> Lawrence, I apologize. I didn't mean to insult you. I misunderstood what you said about signing up people from the Sanet group and about batch subscribing members of this list. Again, I apologize. -- Rivka > On Apr 1, 2019, at 5:43 PM, Lawrence London wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 3:53 PM Road's End Farm > > wrote: > >> >> Please do not create any accounts for me anywhere without my explicit >> agreement -- in fact if it's possible for you to do that, that would be >> pretty unnerving. >> > > Sorry, that's not my thing. I didn't spend thousands of hours and dollars > since 1988 voluntarily creating and maintaining online agriculture > resources to encounter such an implied accusation. > Not directed at you but a hilarious sign that hung an the local Graveley > Tractor dealership in my area: > "Have a problem with our service? Go to Helen Waite, head of our complaints > department. > > Cheers > > > -- > Lawrence F. London, Jr. From list at ginda.us Mon Apr 1 17:56:16 2019 From: list at ginda.us (Ginda Fisher) Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2019 17:56:16 -0400 Subject: [nafex] Jerry's Passing In-Reply-To: <4535e608-8546-56b6-9190-bf486d17457f@erols.com> References: <4535e608-8546-56b6-9190-bf486d17457f@erols.com> Message-ID: <560DF592-E18F-442D-AE7A-F49D78999868@ginda.us> I am also very sad to hear of Jerry's death. He was incredibly knowledgeable and generous. I will miss him. -- Ginda typed with Swype, who knows what I intended. On April 1, 2019 4:06:22 PM EDT, Rosholdt wrote: >I am sorry to hear of Jerry Lehman's death.? We will miss him! He will >leave a gaping hole in the Fruit and Nut Grower network. > >Barbara Rosholdt > >__________________ >nafex mailing list >nafex at lists.ibiblio.org >Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters >subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: >https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex From alex at conev.org Mon Apr 1 18:15:39 2019 From: alex at conev.org (alexis) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2019 18:15:39 -0400 Subject: [nafex] nafex Digest, Vol 226, Issue 13 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Very very sad to hear about Jerry. Even never having met him face to face, I held in high respect for his numerous thoughtful interactions, and for his contributions to our ability to grow food on trees. My deepest condolences to all those who knew him more personally. In the meantime, I got 12 emails today from Nafex, "digest" numbered. I would imagine the purpose of a digest is so that I don't get 12. Can someone tell me how to fix this? Thanks, Alexis On 4/1/19 5:49 PM, nafex-request at lists.ibiblio.org wrote: > Send nafex mailing list submissions to > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > nafex-request at lists.ibiblio.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > nafex-owner at lists.ibiblio.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of nafex digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: list is alive! (Lawrence London) > 2. Re: list is alive! (Road's End Farm) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2019 17:43:57 -0400 > From: Lawrence London > To: mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > > Subject: Re: [nafex] list is alive! > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 3:53 PM Road's End Farm > wrote: > >> Please do not create any accounts for me anywhere without my explicit >> agreement -- in fact if it's possible for you to do that, that would be >> pretty unnerving. >> > Sorry, that's not my thing. I didn't spend thousands of hours and dollars > since 1988 voluntarily creating and maintaining online agriculture > resources to encounter such an implied accusation. > Not directed at you but a hilarious sign that hung an the local Graveley > Tractor dealership in my area: > "Have a problem with our service? Go to Helen Waite, head of our complaints > department. > > Cheers > > From lfljvenaura at gmail.com Mon Apr 1 20:36:44 2019 From: lfljvenaura at gmail.com (Lawrence London) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2019 20:36:44 -0400 Subject: [nafex] list is alive! In-Reply-To: <5E2E15C4-8AEA-4B05-9D77-0F4724A84316@frontiernet.net> References: <9E1E02B0-5265-4373-892D-01B98340863D@yahoo.com> <1E6F9F34-FF11-475F-B5A6-993037AE17DA@yahoo.com> <2526E816-6C8F-4D17-9143-5831A17C3999@frontiernet.net> <5E2E15C4-8AEA-4B05-9D77-0F4724A84316@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 5:49 PM Road's End Farm wrote: > Lawrence, I apologize. I didn't mean to insult you. > > I misunderstood what you said about signing up people from the Sanet group > and about batch subscribing members of this list. > > No problem at all. The sanet people signed themselves up, I did not direct add them, which is a convenient option when someone asks me in email to be subscribed. I double down on problems with lists and have asked the sanet member who migrated to sustagnet how they did it and whether they had to create the Google account without the Gmail ID. Thanks for getting me interested in these list issues. The Fruit Growing webforum and information archive is really excellent. They do have six people running it too. It is free and has no ads so I wonder how long it will remain that way. LL -- Lawrence F. London, Jr. lfljvenaura at gmail.com Avant Geared avantgearedshop at gmail.com https://sites.google.com/site/avantgeared From rosholdt at erols.com Tue Apr 2 10:07:35 2019 From: rosholdt at erols.com (Rosholdt) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2019 10:07:35 -0400 Subject: [nafex] Jerry Lehman (rob hamilton) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7dbc224e-7bd0-abe1-37a5-796d803bb91a@erols.com> Also me.? Jerry was my first friend at my first Pawpaw International Conference and I saw him again at the first NAFEX meeting I attended.? He was very generous with his vast knowledge, always polite and kind.? An organizer so excellent he made conferences look Easy, organizations exciting.? He will be missed! He was undaunted by challenges, and I am hoping some of us can help carry on and save Jerry's work, which would also be saving Jim Claypool's work. Barbara Z7a, Piedmont Virginia ---------------------------------- > Wow,? this news has really?hit me. I was just thinking of him a little while ago. I should have called him.? Jerry was always?very kind to me and others in the?group.? He was always?so ubiquitous at the meeting, I find it hard to think he would not be around to give sage advice. He was my introduction to the nut growers group and I?always wanted to work with him on some persimmon and pawpaw?projects. > He really lived his life doing what he loved and had so much knowledge?to share. Whoever carries on his work has some big shoes to fill. > Robert > -------------------------------------------- > Now Zone 8a!! Atlanta, GA > > Atlanta Fruits Club > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Atlanta_Fruits/ > North American Fruit Explorers (NAFEX) > www.NAFEX.org > Southern Fruit Fellowship (SFF)http://southernfruitfellowship.wordpress.com/ > California Rare Fruit Growers > www.crfg.org From sam739is at hotmail.com Tue Apr 2 09:07:22 2019 From: sam739is at hotmail.com (Sam Brungardt) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2019 13:07:22 +0000 Subject: [nafex] Jerry Lehman In-Reply-To: References: <6ED1612E-1456-436A-918F-0A2B0814D634@gmail.com>, <957433D0-9E27-482D-AC0F-82037BD47062@frontiernet.net>, Message-ID: ________________________________ From: Sam Brungardt Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2019 8:06 AM To: Road's End Farm; mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters Subject: Re: [nafex] Jerry Lehman I've been a NAFEX member for quite a while and have followed the work that Jerry was doing with native persimmons. However, I did not know him socially, always intending to visit with him at length at a NAFEX annual meeting and to make that trip to Indiana to see his work. Sorry to say that neither of those things ever happened. I did visit with him briefly a couple of times and found him to be a helpful and likable person. It's clear that Jerry was one of those persons who was key to the success of our organization. For many of our members he was not only a friend but also a goldmine of information about native persimmons. Perhaps the best memorial we could give Jerry would be to ensure that someone will obtain the cultivars he had collected or developed and to establish a back-up collection at some arboretum or university -- something, unfortunately, that is always subject to the fiscal whims of politicians and administrators. Sam Brungardt, St. Paul, Minn., USDA Zone 4b ________________________________ From: nafex on behalf of Road's End Farm Sent: Monday, April 1, 2019 2:41 PM To: NAFEX email discussion group Subject: Re: [nafex] Jerry Lehman I'm very sorry to hear that. But thank you for letting us know. > On Apr 1, 2019, at 3:11 PM, Bass S wrote: > > In case you didn?t know, he?s been a long time Nafex member. > ?We are sorry to report that pawpaw and persimmon breeder Jerry Lehman, 82, of Terre Haute, Indiana passed away this morning following a farm accident last week. Jerry will be greatly missed by all, but his contributions to the pawpaw and persimmon world will live on.? > > Thank you, > Bass > __________________ nafex mailing list nafex at lists.ibiblio.org Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.ibiblio.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fnafex&data=02%7C01%7C%7C20520d470eed46f1a10b08d6b6da0775%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636897444870969444&sdata=6cypgj4Kx4i1x7Bj7lerL5C%2FxAJxAzyUyqR7OlRPXvA%3D&reserved=0 From sam739is at hotmail.com Tue Apr 2 09:06:20 2019 From: sam739is at hotmail.com (Sam Brungardt) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2019 13:06:20 +0000 Subject: [nafex] Jerry Lehman In-Reply-To: <957433D0-9E27-482D-AC0F-82037BD47062@frontiernet.net> References: <6ED1612E-1456-436A-918F-0A2B0814D634@gmail.com>, <957433D0-9E27-482D-AC0F-82037BD47062@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: I've been a NAFEX member for quite a while and have followed the work that Jerry was doing with native persimmons. However, I did not know him socially, always intending to visit with him at length at a NAFEX annual meeting and to make that trip to Indiana to see his work. Sorry to say that neither of those things ever happened. I did visit with him briefly a couple of times and found him to be a helpful and likable person. It's clear that Jerry was one of those persons who was key to the success of our organization. For many of our members he was not only a friend but also a goldmine of information about native persimmons. Perhaps the best memorial we could give Jerry would be to ensure that someone will obtain the cultivars he had collected or developed and to establish a back-up collection at some arboretum or university -- something, unfortunately, that is always subject to the fiscal whims of politicians and administrators. Sam Brungardt, St. Paul, Minn., USDA Zone 4b ________________________________ From: nafex on behalf of Road's End Farm Sent: Monday, April 1, 2019 2:41 PM To: NAFEX email discussion group Subject: Re: [nafex] Jerry Lehman I'm very sorry to hear that. But thank you for letting us know. > On Apr 1, 2019, at 3:11 PM, Bass S wrote: > > In case you didn?t know, he?s been a long time Nafex member. > ?We are sorry to report that pawpaw and persimmon breeder Jerry Lehman, 82, of Terre Haute, Indiana passed away this morning following a farm accident last week. Jerry will be greatly missed by all, but his contributions to the pawpaw and persimmon world will live on.? > > Thank you, > Bass > __________________ nafex mailing list nafex at lists.ibiblio.org Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.ibiblio.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fnafex&data=02%7C01%7C%7C20520d470eed46f1a10b08d6b6da0775%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636897444870969444&sdata=6cypgj4Kx4i1x7Bj7lerL5C%2FxAJxAzyUyqR7OlRPXvA%3D&reserved=0 From sam739is at hotmail.com Tue Apr 2 13:32:31 2019 From: sam739is at hotmail.com (Sam Brungardt) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2019 17:32:31 +0000 Subject: [nafex] Jerry Lehman Message-ID: I've been a NAFEX member for quite a while and have followed the work that Jerry was doing with native persimmons. However, I did not know him socially, always intending to visit with him at length at a NAFEX annual meeting and to make that trip to Indiana to see his work. Sorry to say that neither of those things ever happened. I did visit with him briefly a couple of times and found him to be a helpful and likable person. It's clear that Jerry was one of those persons who was key to the success of our organization. For many of our members he was not only a friend but also a goldmine of information about native persimmons. Perhaps the best memorial we could give Jerry would be to ensure that someone will obtain the cultivars he had collected or developed and to establish a back-up collection at some arboretum or university -- something, unfortunately, that is always subject to the fiscal whims of politicians and administrators. Sam Brungardt, St. Paul, Minn., USDA Zone 4b From qazingulaza at gmail.com Thu Apr 4 18:15:16 2019 From: qazingulaza at gmail.com (mIEKAL aND) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2019 17:15:16 -0500 Subject: [nafex] Potted Arbequina Olive In-Reply-To: <1356958039.14816438.1554133821342@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1356958039.14816438.1554133821342.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1356958039.14816438.1554133821342@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I ripened 2 olives last year. Then I brined them. They were amazing. On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 10:50 AM Henry via nafex wrote: > > Pete, > > Thanks for posting this question. > > I have not tried olives, but am interested in fruit that can be grown in containers. > > I really appreciate that you told us where you are in your post! > > --Henry Fieldseth > Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA, zone 4 > > > -------------------------------------------- > On Sun, 3/31/19, Peter Chrisbacher wrote: > > Subject: [nafex] Potted Arbequina Olive > To: "nafex mailing list at ibiblio" > Date: Sunday, March 31, 2019, 12:20 PM > > OK here's one that might even be worthy of > the list... > > Last fall I purchased a small arbequina > Olive rooted cutting. It's been > growing in a sunny windowsill since > fall and is now 6 in or so tall and has > put on some new growth recently. Is > anyone else on this list growing potted > olives? I believe here in 6B I cannot > plant it in the ground outside. Would > love to hear thoughts on how to get > this thing happy in a pot so we have > some olives one of these years soon. > > -Pete > 6b se PA > __________________ > nafex mailing list > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Northamerican Allied Fruit > Experimenters > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list > info: > https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > > __________________ > nafex mailing list > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: > https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex From pxbacher at gmail.com Thu Apr 4 18:31:59 2019 From: pxbacher at gmail.com (Peter Chrisbacher) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2019 18:31:59 -0400 Subject: [nafex] Potted Arbequina Olive In-Reply-To: References: <1356958039.14816438.1554133821342.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1356958039.14816438.1554133821342@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: How old is your tree, mIEKAL? I get fresh olives at the farmers market in the fall and use the multiple changes of water soak de-bittering method. My favorite brine was one with ramps (dehydrated in the spring), lemon thyme and bay leaves. I wish I could get them cheaper here in South East PA. Hopefully from my tree! -Pete On Thu, Apr 4, 2019, 6:15 PM mIEKAL aND wrote: > I ripened 2 olives last year. Then I brined them. They were amazing. > > On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 10:50 AM Henry via nafex > wrote: > > > > Pete, > > > > Thanks for posting this question. > > > > I have not tried olives, but am interested in fruit that can be grown in > containers. > > > > I really appreciate that you told us where you are in your post! > > > > --Henry Fieldseth > > Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA, zone 4 > > > > > > -------------------------------------------- > > On Sun, 3/31/19, Peter Chrisbacher wrote: > > > > Subject: [nafex] Potted Arbequina Olive > > To: "nafex mailing list at ibiblio" > > Date: Sunday, March 31, 2019, 12:20 PM > > > > OK here's one that might even be worthy of > > the list... > > > > Last fall I purchased a small arbequina > > Olive rooted cutting. It's been > > growing in a sunny windowsill since > > fall and is now 6 in or so tall and has > > put on some new growth recently. Is > > anyone else on this list growing potted > > olives? I believe here in 6B I cannot > > plant it in the ground outside. Would > > love to hear thoughts on how to get > > this thing happy in a pot so we have > > some olives one of these years soon. > > > > -Pete > > 6b se PA > > __________________ > > nafex mailing list > > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > > Northamerican Allied Fruit > > Experimenters > > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list > > info: > > https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > > > > __________________ > > nafex mailing list > > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: > > https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > __________________ > nafex mailing list > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: > https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > From organic87 at frontiernet.net Thu Apr 4 19:58:34 2019 From: organic87 at frontiernet.net (Road's End Farm) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2019 19:58:34 -0400 Subject: [nafex] Potted Arbequina Olive In-Reply-To: References: <1356958039.14816438.1554133821342.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1356958039.14816438.1554133821342@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <811CEFBF-FCD5-4E59-ABDD-87EFC3B829BD@frontiernet.net> > On Apr 4, 2019, at 6:31 PM, Peter Chrisbacher wrote: > > How old is your tree, mIEKAL? I get fresh olives at the farmers market in > the fall and use the multiple changes of water soak de-bittering method. My > favorite brine was one with ramps (dehydrated in the spring), lemon thyme > and bay leaves. I wish I could get them cheaper here in South East PA. > Hopefully from my tree! > > -Pete Are they locally grown in SE PA, Pete? or is it not a local-only market? If they are locally grown, I wonder whether there's any olives that would manage another state north. -- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 6A now I think Fresh-market organic produce, small scale From pxbacher at gmail.com Thu Apr 4 20:48:35 2019 From: pxbacher at gmail.com (Peter Chrisbacher) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2019 20:48:35 -0400 Subject: [nafex] Potted Arbequina Olive In-Reply-To: <811CEFBF-FCD5-4E59-ABDD-87EFC3B829BD@frontiernet.net> References: <1356958039.14816438.1554133821342.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1356958039.14816438.1554133821342@mail.yahoo.com> <811CEFBF-FCD5-4E59-ABDD-87EFC3B829BD@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: I'm fairly certain they are imported from Somewhere much warmer. But supposedly some olives (arbequina among them) do relatively well in pots. -Pete On Thu, Apr 4, 2019, 7:59 PM Road's End Farm wrote: > > > > On Apr 4, 2019, at 6:31 PM, Peter Chrisbacher > wrote: > > > > How old is your tree, mIEKAL? I get fresh olives at the farmers market in > > the fall and use the multiple changes of water soak de-bittering method. > My > > favorite brine was one with ramps (dehydrated in the spring), lemon thyme > > and bay leaves. I wish I could get them cheaper here in South East PA. > > Hopefully from my tree! > > > > -Pete > > Are they locally grown in SE PA, Pete? or is it not a local-only market? > > If they are locally grown, I wonder whether there's any olives that would > manage another state north. > > -- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 6A now I think > Fresh-market organic produce, small scale > > > > > __________________ > nafex mailing list > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: > https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > From treehugger53ah at yahoo.com Fri Apr 5 08:40:29 2019 From: treehugger53ah at yahoo.com (Henry) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2019 12:40:29 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [nafex] Potted Arbequina Olive References: <1692244120.17354783.1554468029660.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1692244120.17354783.1554468029660@mail.yahoo.com> I bought 50 'Arbequina' olives from Hartmann's Plant Company in Michigan in 2015. They offer plants at both retail and wholesale prices. https://hartmannsplantcompany.com I sold them at the Friends School Plant Sale in Saint Paul, Minnesota. Not having a good place to keep one for the winter, I sold them all. I have not heard any feedback from customers, nor any requests to bring them back. These posts have me thinking we should offer them again. Hartmann's only offered 'Arbequina' when we ordered. Today I see they have added 'Taggiasca', which is sold out at this time. --Henry Fieldseth Minneapolis, Minnesotaa, USA, zone 4 -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 4/4/19, Peter Chrisbacher wrote: Subject: Re: [nafex] Potted Arbequina Olive To: "nafex mailing list at ibiblio" Date: Thursday, April 4, 2019, 7:48 PM I'm fairly certain they are imported from Somewhere much warmer. But supposedly some olives (arbequina among them) do relatively well in pots. -Pete On Thu, Apr 4, 2019, 7:59 PM Road's End Farm wrote: > > > > On Apr 4, 2019, at 6:31 PM, Peter Chrisbacher > wrote: > > > > How old is your tree, mIEKAL? I get fresh olives at the farmers market in > > the fall and use the multiple changes of water soak de-bittering method. > My > > favorite brine was one with ramps (dehydrated in the spring), lemon thyme > > and bay leaves. I wish I could get them cheaper here in South East PA. > > Hopefully from my tree! > > > > -Pete > > Are they locally grown in SE PA, Pete? or is it not a local-only market? > > If they are locally grown, I wonder whether there's any olives that would > manage another state north. > > -- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 6A now I think > Fresh-market organic produce, small scale > > > > > __________________ > nafex mailing list > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: > https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > __________________ nafex mailing list nafex at lists.ibiblio.org Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex From sam739is at hotmail.com Fri Apr 5 08:25:01 2019 From: sam739is at hotmail.com (Sam Brungardt) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2019 12:25:01 +0000 Subject: [nafex] Your experience with Mara des Bois strawberry Message-ID: I'd like to find out your experience growing Mara des Bois strawberry. the relatively new day-neutral cultivar developed in France. Please include your zone and city and state in your reply. Thanks! thanks. -- Sam Brungardt, St. Paul, MN (USDA Hardiness Zone 4b) Here's what one nursery's catalog (Jung) says about it: Mara Des Bois Strawberry A specialty strawberry developed in France. The small to medium size berries are bright red with a high gloss and are blessed with the highest flavor and fragrance of any strawberry variety. Planted in the spring, it begins bearing during the summer and into the fall. The following year it produces a good spring crop with continued lighter production all season. Excellent for container culture, too. Ideal for home gardeners or commercial applications where high taste and fragrance is required. From mijwiz at yahoo.com Fri Apr 5 18:13:18 2019 From: mijwiz at yahoo.com (Melissa Kacalanos) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2019 18:13:18 -0400 Subject: [nafex] Your experience with Mara des Bois strawberry In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6756B289-7D3E-4357-8250-EC0C0231DFAA@yahoo.com> When I grew them in Ithaca, NY, zone 5, they were wonderfully flavorful, and small for modern strawberries. A friend who?s a real gourmet, with more refined sensibilities than mine, who didn?t normally stoop to eating modern strawberries, but ate only the alpine strawberries he grew himself, declared upon eating these that he would rip out his alpine strawberries and plant these instead. Melissa From lfljvenaura at gmail.com Fri Apr 5 19:45:32 2019 From: lfljvenaura at gmail.com (Lawrence London) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2019 19:45:32 -0400 Subject: [nafex] Question about this list for subscribers. Message-ID: Should Nafex, Inc. own, control and run this list? It is obvious that Facebook is not particularly useful for hosting a fruit growers forum. The excellent Growing Fruit forum and knowledgebase is a private and probably commercial venture. Will it be useful and available in the future? Nafex would have to go to a lot of trouble and expense to set up a forum for members in house. This list is free, public and run by volunteers. It will be around as long as ibiblio is and if that changes it can migrate to groups.io for a list as good as ibiblio's (and unlike Google Groups, doesn't require some kind of Google account) and with the capacity to service unlimited members and provide ten gigabytes of storage, all for a modest monthly fee of $10.00. Should this list be turned over to Nafex, if they want it? If that was done would they require Nafex membership for all subscribers, unlike its present status of allowing anyone to join? Would they make the message archives private (i.e. a private list). If so Google would no longer index the archives and searches would not be possible plus all subscribers would have to log in with name and password to read the archives. I need one or more persons to co own this list with me. The list needs to continue in one form or another into the future. I need someone to run it when I am no longer available as a volunteer. I think most of you would like to use this nafex list indefinitely. The main message archives from their beginning to the present contain a wealth of information. They are located here and go all the way back to 2000: https://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex/. There are three other sites with nafex message archives: 1) Current, active, ongoing, combined with the permaculture list: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/permaculturelist but does not have early messages. 2) This one has a message base that is much earlier, 2011, but stops around 2016: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/nafexlist 3) There is a blog that is a mirror archive for this list, currently active and ongoing: http://ifneb.blogspot.com/ (IFNEB = International Fruit & Nut Breeders & Enthusiasts) This is nice format for viewing posts, much like a webforum, and has today's posts and archives dating back to 2014 Feedback welcome. Lawrence -- Lawrence F. London, Jr. lfljvenaura at gmail.com Avant Geared avantgearedshop at gmail.com https://sites.google.com/site/avantgeared From spidra at gmail.com Sun Apr 7 02:35:54 2019 From: spidra at gmail.com (Megan Lynch) Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2019 23:35:54 -0700 Subject: [nafex] Question about this list for subscribers. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: There has been story after story of Facebook, Google, et al misusing user data, disrespecting privacy rights, etc. I'd really like to see more user-owned resources to protect people from this sort of thing. I think an email list on a service/server which seems trustworthy is a smart move. And from what you're saying, it seems affordable. I don't know what NAFEX's budget is, but I think it likely makes sense to restrict list membership to NAFEX members only (which does not at the current time include me). The only difficulty I foresee with this from my prior experience with other group management is that a volunteer will have to square the NAFEX email membership list with the paid NAFEX membership list at regular intervals, at least monthly. I think the archives are a very important source of information. One of the advantages of an email list is that people can save messages from the time they've been members of the list, at least if they're willing to dedicate the hard drive space to it. But for anything people weren't around for, the archives are great. Thanks to all who?ve been volunteering their time for this list and been so free with it all these years so far. Megan Lynch South Pasadena, CA 10a From organic87 at frontiernet.net Sun Apr 7 09:57:28 2019 From: organic87 at frontiernet.net (Road's End Farm) Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2019 09:57:28 -0400 Subject: [nafex] Question about this list for subscribers. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <23130F95-3A69-4D1C-8C04-AC007C73B786@frontiernet.net> I agree that keeping the email list as an email list is preferable. It was my impression that NAFEX didn't want to do so, and that this was why the list wound up being separate from NAFEX. I'm concerned that if we tried to turn the list over to NAFEX now, even if they accepted it, they wouldn't keep it up in the long run. The problem with keeping it up in this fashion, which I think is preferable, is that as Lawrence says it would be better if there were several people sharing or lined up ready to take over whatever's needed; it shouldn't all be on one person. I don't, however, know what's involved in doing that work. -- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 6A now I think Fresh-market organic produce, small scale From list at ginda.us Sun Apr 7 10:14:08 2019 From: list at ginda.us (Ginda Fisher) Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2019 10:14:08 -0400 Subject: [nafex] Question about this list for subscribers. In-Reply-To: <23130F95-3A69-4D1C-8C04-AC007C73B786@frontiernet.net> References: <23130F95-3A69-4D1C-8C04-AC007C73B786@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <5C659F7A-6EA2-46CC-9CB1-ABF2CAE3E032@ginda.us> 1) I thought that NAFEX and Lawrence had some falling out, and went their separate ways, but I may be misremembering. 2) I manage some other mailing lists, and I'm willing to help manage this one. 3) My opinion is that lists like this work better with enough traffic, which is driven by enough members. Recently, traffic has been well below the optimal level, so I'm in favor of keeping the list open to anyone who isn't harmful. (Obviously, too much traffic can be a problem, but that's not where we are.) -- Ginda typed with Swype, who knows what I intended. On April 7, 2019 9:57:28 AM EDT, Road's End Farm wrote: >I agree that keeping the email list as an email list is preferable. > >It was my impression that NAFEX didn't want to do so, and that this was >why the list wound up being separate from NAFEX. I'm concerned that if >we tried to turn the list over to NAFEX now, even if they accepted it, >they wouldn't keep it up in the long run. > >The problem with keeping it up in this fashion, which I think is >preferable, is that as Lawrence says it would be better if there were >several people sharing or lined up ready to take over whatever's >needed; it shouldn't all be on one person. I don't, however, know >what's involved in doing that work. > > > >-- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 6A now I think >Fresh-market organic produce, small scale > > > > >__________________ >nafex mailing list >nafex at lists.ibiblio.org >Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters >subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: >https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex From pxbacher at gmail.com Sun Apr 7 10:59:46 2019 From: pxbacher at gmail.com (Peter Chrisbacher) Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2019 10:59:46 -0400 Subject: [nafex] Question about this list for subscribers. In-Reply-To: <5C659F7A-6EA2-46CC-9CB1-ABF2CAE3E032@ginda.us> References: <23130F95-3A69-4D1C-8C04-AC007C73B786@frontiernet.net> <5C659F7A-6EA2-46CC-9CB1-ABF2CAE3E032@ginda.us> Message-ID: I like the list. That said, as Ginda notes, there's been low activity for the past 6 months or longer, and some months I don't think I received a single email. Is this because of lack of interest in this format? Is it lack of awareness of this forum? Is it both? Is it something else? I don't remember how I found out about this group - how would others who are interested discover it? While I've seen a few new names here, it seems like we are losing more participants than we are gaining. -Pete Pete Chrisbacher On Sun, Apr 7, 2019 at 10:14 AM Ginda Fisher wrote: > 1) I thought that NAFEX and Lawrence had some falling out, and went their > separate ways, but I may be misremembering. > > 2) I manage some other mailing lists, and I'm willing to help manage this > one. > > 3) My opinion is that lists like this work better with enough traffic, > which is driven by enough members. Recently, traffic has been well below > the optimal level, so I'm in favor of keeping the list open to anyone who > isn't harmful. (Obviously, too much traffic can be a problem, but that's > not where we are.) > -- > Ginda > typed with Swype, who knows what I intended. > > > On April 7, 2019 9:57:28 AM EDT, Road's End Farm < > organic87 at frontiernet.net> wrote: > >I agree that keeping the email list as an email list is preferable. > > > >It was my impression that NAFEX didn't want to do so, and that this was > >why the list wound up being separate from NAFEX. I'm concerned that if > >we tried to turn the list over to NAFEX now, even if they accepted it, > >they wouldn't keep it up in the long run. > > > >The problem with keeping it up in this fashion, which I think is > >preferable, is that as Lawrence says it would be better if there were > >several people sharing or lined up ready to take over whatever's > >needed; it shouldn't all be on one person. I don't, however, know > >what's involved in doing that work. > > > > > > > >-- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 6A now I think > >Fresh-market organic produce, small scale > > > > > > > > > >__________________ > >nafex mailing list > >nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > >Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > >subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: > >https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > __________________ > nafex mailing list > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: > https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > From list at ginda.us Sun Apr 7 11:12:01 2019 From: list at ginda.us (Ginda Fisher) Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2019 11:12:01 -0400 Subject: [nafex] M41 apple rootstock and rocks Message-ID: <72CC40AA-91A6-4D6C-AF6E-D3AAE5735368@ginda.us> I'm trying to plant an apple on m41. Everywhere i dig, I come across rocks too large to remove from the hole. Do I need to keep digging in new places until I find a relatively rock-free patch of land? That's a big ask, in my small New England yard with lots of shade. The rocks are about a foot down. It's not a solid ledge. In theory, an industrious tree could spread its roots between and around them. I think. But is m41 that kind of root stock? One way or another, the tree will be planted today. Thanks -- Ginda Eastern Mass, zone 6 typed with Swype, who knows what I intended. From cwaitemaclin at me.com Sun Apr 7 11:45:11 2019 From: cwaitemaclin at me.com (C Waite MACLIN) Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2019 11:45:11 -0400 Subject: [nafex] Question about this list for subscribers. In-Reply-To: References: <23130F95-3A69-4D1C-8C04-AC007C73B786@frontiernet.net> <5C659F7A-6EA2-46CC-9CB1-ABF2CAE3E032@ginda.us> Message-ID: <012307F7-A556-4793-9CD2-A1B9AF275E28@me.com> Thank you, Pete. I am one of the ones who has fallen off. This is not because of any lack of interest and my belief in the good networking of NAFEX. Too much demanding of my time elsewhere. But hope to ?re-up? and your email spurs me on. Where are you located? I am in Cushing, Maine on the midcoast. Have a modest apple and fruit orchard. Onward. Waite C. Waite Maclin Pastor Chuck Orchards Cushing, Maine ?One Taste and You Will Know the Difference Between Good and Evil!? P.O. Box 4096 Portland, Maine 04101 > On Apr 7, 2019, at 10:59 AM, Peter Chrisbacher wrote: > > I like the list. > > That said, as Ginda notes, there's been low activity for the past 6 months > or longer, and some months I don't think I received a single email. Is > this because of lack of interest in this format? Is it lack of awareness > of this forum? Is it both? Is it something else? > > I don't remember how I found out about this group - how would others who > are interested discover it? While I've seen a few new names here, it seems > like we are losing more participants than we are gaining. > > -Pete > > Pete Chrisbacher > > > On Sun, Apr 7, 2019 at 10:14 AM Ginda Fisher wrote: > >> 1) I thought that NAFEX and Lawrence had some falling out, and went their >> separate ways, but I may be misremembering. >> >> 2) I manage some other mailing lists, and I'm willing to help manage this >> one. >> >> 3) My opinion is that lists like this work better with enough traffic, >> which is driven by enough members. Recently, traffic has been well below >> the optimal level, so I'm in favor of keeping the list open to anyone who >> isn't harmful. (Obviously, too much traffic can be a problem, but that's >> not where we are.) >> -- >> Ginda >> typed with Swype, who knows what I intended. >> >> >> On April 7, 2019 9:57:28 AM EDT, Road's End Farm < >> organic87 at frontiernet.net> wrote: >>> I agree that keeping the email list as an email list is preferable. >>> >>> It was my impression that NAFEX didn't want to do so, and that this was >>> why the list wound up being separate from NAFEX. I'm concerned that if >>> we tried to turn the list over to NAFEX now, even if they accepted it, >>> they wouldn't keep it up in the long run. >>> >>> The problem with keeping it up in this fashion, which I think is >>> preferable, is that as Lawrence says it would be better if there were >>> several people sharing or lined up ready to take over whatever's >>> needed; it shouldn't all be on one person. I don't, however, know >>> what's involved in doing that work. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 6A now I think >>> Fresh-market organic produce, small scale >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> __________________ >>> nafex mailing list >>> nafex at lists.ibiblio.org >>> Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters >>> subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: >>> https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex >> __________________ >> nafex mailing list >> nafex at lists.ibiblio.org >> Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters >> subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: >> https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex >> > __________________ > nafex mailing list > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: > https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex C. Waite Maclin Communication Specialist Maclin Consulting P.O. Box 4096 Portland, Maine 04101 207-939-2793 From alandhaigh at gmail.com Sun Apr 7 12:57:58 2019 From: alandhaigh at gmail.com (Alan Haigh) Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2019 12:57:58 -0400 Subject: [nafex] 1. M41 apple rootstock and rocks (Ginda Fisher) Message-ID: I've never had a problem with a site that has a whole foot of soil before ledge- hell, I've worked with much less than that in the hills I ply my trade in. I don't happen to use the Cornell roots very much, but I assume 41 is full dwarf so it really doesn't need a lot to work with. Where shallow soil can be an issue is with cold sensitive rootstocks, and I believe, even with trees susceptible to cambium burn, such as Santa Rosa plums and most of the red-fleshed J. plums. My cots seem even more likely to die when grown in shallow soil. Obviously, you haven't much a reservoir to work with so an organic mulch would help as would irrigation during dry periods. This is especially the case if there are nearby big forest trees. Their ability to suck up water extends not just beyond their limbs, but even beyond the roots due to mychorizal symbiosis. From pxbacher at gmail.com Sun Apr 7 13:11:30 2019 From: pxbacher at gmail.com (Peter Chrisbacher) Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2019 13:11:30 -0400 Subject: [nafex] Question about this list for subscribers. In-Reply-To: <012307F7-A556-4793-9CD2-A1B9AF275E28@me.com> References: <23130F95-3A69-4D1C-8C04-AC007C73B786@frontiernet.net> <5C659F7A-6EA2-46CC-9CB1-ABF2CAE3E032@ginda.us> <012307F7-A556-4793-9CD2-A1B9AF275E28@me.com> Message-ID: Hi Waite I'm in the western suburbs of Philadelphia PA. More like the northern suburbs of Wilmington DE actually, but Wilmington isn't as well known, and I do live in PA, not DE. I am a backyard fruit grower, with several heavily grafted apple trees, a pear tree, 5 or 6 potted figs, several native plums including maritima from the DE coast, many Ribes, several Elderberry including some of the newer selections, and a selection of blueberries. Oh, also some seedling American Persimmon and pawpaw, and some nut seedlings including Hickory, Northern pecan, black Walnut, and some hicans. Think that's about it. Sounds like a lot but most are in pots as we've only been at our current location for a couple of years. -Pete On Sun, Apr 7, 2019, 11:51 AM C Waite MACLIN via nafex < nafex at lists.ibiblio.org> wrote: > Thank you, Pete. I am one of the ones who has fallen off. This is not > because of any lack of interest and my belief in the good networking of > NAFEX. Too much demanding of my time elsewhere. But hope to ?re-up? and > your email spurs me on. > > Where are you located? > > I am in Cushing, Maine on the midcoast. Have a modest apple and fruit > orchard. > > Onward. Waite > > C. Waite Maclin > Pastor Chuck Orchards > Cushing, Maine > ?One Taste and You Will > Know the Difference Between > Good and Evil!? > > P.O. Box 4096 > Portland, Maine 04101 > > > > > On Apr 7, 2019, at 10:59 AM, Peter Chrisbacher > wrote: > > > > I like the list. > > > > That said, as Ginda notes, there's been low activity for the past 6 > months > > or longer, and some months I don't think I received a single email. Is > > this because of lack of interest in this format? Is it lack of awareness > > of this forum? Is it both? Is it something else? > > > > I don't remember how I found out about this group - how would others who > > are interested discover it? While I've seen a few new names here, it > seems > > like we are losing more participants than we are gaining. > > > > -Pete > > > > Pete Chrisbacher > > > > > > On Sun, Apr 7, 2019 at 10:14 AM Ginda Fisher wrote: > > > >> 1) I thought that NAFEX and Lawrence had some falling out, and went > their > >> separate ways, but I may be misremembering. > >> > >> 2) I manage some other mailing lists, and I'm willing to help manage > this > >> one. > >> > >> 3) My opinion is that lists like this work better with enough traffic, > >> which is driven by enough members. Recently, traffic has been well below > >> the optimal level, so I'm in favor of keeping the list open to anyone > who > >> isn't harmful. (Obviously, too much traffic can be a problem, but that's > >> not where we are.) > >> -- > >> Ginda > >> typed with Swype, who knows what I intended. > >> > >> > >> On April 7, 2019 9:57:28 AM EDT, Road's End Farm < > >> organic87 at frontiernet.net> wrote: > >>> I agree that keeping the email list as an email list is preferable. > >>> > >>> It was my impression that NAFEX didn't want to do so, and that this was > >>> why the list wound up being separate from NAFEX. I'm concerned that if > >>> we tried to turn the list over to NAFEX now, even if they accepted it, > >>> they wouldn't keep it up in the long run. > >>> > >>> The problem with keeping it up in this fashion, which I think is > >>> preferable, is that as Lawrence says it would be better if there were > >>> several people sharing or lined up ready to take over whatever's > >>> needed; it shouldn't all be on one person. I don't, however, know > >>> what's involved in doing that work. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 6A now I think > >>> Fresh-market organic produce, small scale > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> __________________ > >>> nafex mailing list > >>> nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > >>> Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > >>> subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: > >>> https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > >> __________________ > >> nafex mailing list > >> nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > >> Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > >> subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: > >> https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > >> > > __________________ > > nafex mailing list > > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: > > https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > > > > > > > > > > > C. Waite Maclin > Communication Specialist > Maclin Consulting > P.O. Box 4096 > Portland, Maine 04101 > 207-939-2793 > > __________________ > nafex mailing list > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: > https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > From list at ginda.us Sun Apr 7 13:40:09 2019 From: list at ginda.us (Ginda Fisher) Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2019 13:40:09 -0400 Subject: [nafex] 1. M41 apple rootstock and rocks (Ginda Fisher) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <22F455F0-B0B1-4D59-A1A4-F41F5174C6FB@ginda.us> Thanks! In addition to writing to this list, I also called Cummins nursery. To my surprise, they answered the phone. The gentleman I spoke with said he really didn't know, but thought a foot would be enough soil, so long as what was underneath wasn't solid ledge. (It's not.) So the tree is mostly planted. I need to replace the rocks I removed from the hole with top soil, and protect the tree. I'll be wrapping the base with aluminum window screen and putting a circle of fencing around it to discourage deer. And lots and lots of water... -- Ginda typed with Swype, who knows what I intended. On April 7, 2019 12:57:58 PM EDT, Alan Haigh wrote: >I've never had a problem with a site that has a whole foot of soil >before >ledge- hell, I've worked with much less than that in the hills I ply my >trade in. > >I don't happen to use the Cornell roots very much, but I assume 41 is >full >dwarf so it really doesn't need a lot to work with. > >Where shallow soil can be an issue is with cold sensitive rootstocks, >and I >believe, even with trees susceptible to cambium burn, such as Santa >Rosa >plums and most of the red-fleshed J. plums. My cots seem even more >likely >to die when grown in shallow soil. > >Obviously, you haven't much a reservoir to work with so an organic >mulch >would help as would irrigation during dry periods. This is especially >the >case if there are nearby big forest trees. Their ability to suck up >water >extends not just beyond their limbs, but even beyond the roots due to >mychorizal symbiosis. >__________________ >nafex mailing list >nafex at lists.ibiblio.org >Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters >subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: >https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex From lfljvenaura at gmail.com Sun Apr 7 18:29:05 2019 From: lfljvenaura at gmail.com (Lawrence London) Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2019 18:29:05 -0400 Subject: [nafex] Question about this list for subscribers. In-Reply-To: <012307F7-A556-4793-9CD2-A1B9AF275E28@me.com> References: <23130F95-3A69-4D1C-8C04-AC007C73B786@frontiernet.net> <5C659F7A-6EA2-46CC-9CB1-ABF2CAE3E032@ginda.us> <012307F7-A556-4793-9CD2-A1B9AF275E28@me.com> Message-ID: To cut to the chase: NAFEX, Inc. should have their web person download and install HTTracker app. Runit and start a new session and speciy download folder then tell HTTracker to go to: https://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex/ and download everything. The nafex list message archives are public therefore HTTracker can download the entire message base, month by month. What you end up with is a mirror of the archives at ibiblio. When it is finished, after maybe 4 house or so, it will ask you if you want to view downloaded website. Click on it and you will see exactly what exists at ibiblio. They they should take the downloaded filesystem-folder and add it to their NAFEX website somewhere so that their members can browse the list from its origin at Yahoo groups in 2001 to the present and have all that information at their fingertips.. Clicking on the top level .html files opens the whole archive. This way they do not have to be involved with this list. If they can figure out how to get HTTracker to _update_ the message archive with new material month by month, all the better. Otherwise they can just download the whole thing again with HTTracker and replace the old with the new in their website periodically. Lon Rombaugh's Grapebreeders website at ibiblio can be downloaded the same way. It is located here: http://www.ibiblio.org/grapebreeders/ Noone is maintaining this website so I would suggest anyone that interested should download a copy for themselves. NAFEX could add this to their website. As for ownership, permissions and copyright issues, I am certain there should not be any. The site is orphaned, unowned and unmaintained. If anyone needs more information or help let me know. As for adding co owners to this nafex list I will be adding those who expressed interest in helping out after finding out whether they can handle the technical aspects of list ownership. The main duties are dealing with new subscribers or unsubbing people who can't figure out how to do it themselves. The main list configuration is done and shouldn't need to be changed. The list homepage could use some work though. We are definitely lucky to have our forum at ibiblio. Yahoo is unacceptable, groups.io is as good or better but storage space is limited (a consideration for the long haul) and Google Groups has issues with what email ids subscribers use though that has been proven not to be a problem for most people, they _can_ use non-Gmail ID's. LL From lfljvenaura at gmail.com Sun Apr 7 21:18:46 2019 From: lfljvenaura at gmail.com (Lawrence London) Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2019 21:18:46 -0400 Subject: [nafex] Question about this list for subscribers. In-Reply-To: References: <23130F95-3A69-4D1C-8C04-AC007C73B786@frontiernet.net> <5C659F7A-6EA2-46CC-9CB1-ABF2CAE3E032@ginda.us> <012307F7-A556-4793-9CD2-A1B9AF275E28@me.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Apr 7, 2019 at 6:29 PM Lawrence London wrote: > > To cut to the chase: > > NAFEX, Inc. should have their web person download and install HTTracker > app. Runit and start a new session and speciy download folder > then tell HTTracker to go to: https://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/nafex/ > and download everything. The nafex list message archives are public > therefore HTTracker can download the entire message base, month by month. > What you end up with is a mirror of the archives at ibiblio. When it is > finished, after maybe 4 house or so, it will ask you if you want to view > downloaded website. Click on it and you will see exactly what exists at > ibiblio. > They they should take the downloaded filesystem-folder and add it to their > NAFEX website somewhere so that their members can browse the list from its > origin at Yahoo groups in 2001 to the present and have all that information > at their fingertips.. Clicking on the top level .html files opens the whole > archive. This way they do not have to be involved with this list. > If they can figure out how to get HTTracker to _update_ the message > archive with new material month by month, all the better. Otherwise they > can just download the whole thing again with HTTracker and replace the old > with the new in their website periodically. > If there are issues for them with posts in the message archives they don;t want in there they can be edited out. Once you ID them then you can go to the (html) files containing them and delete them, then delete their entry in the maillist.html file associated with that month's archive. At least I think this would work without corrupting the whole archive. You can always edit the files in question. > > Lon Rombaugh's Grapebreeders website at ibiblio can be downloaded the same > way. It is located here: http://www.ibiblio.org/grapebreeders/ > Noone is maintaining this website so I would suggest anyone that > interested should download a copy for themselves. NAFEX could add this to > their website. > As for ownership, permissions and copyright issues, I am certain there > should not be any. The site is orphaned, unowned and unmaintained. > > If anyone needs more information or help let me know. > > As for adding co owners to this nafex list I will be adding those who > expressed interest in helping out after finding out whether they can handle > the technical aspects of list ownership. > The main duties are dealing with new subscribers or unsubbing people who > can't figure out how to do it themselves. The main list configuration is > done and shouldn't need to be changed. The list homepage could use some > work though. We are definitely lucky to have our forum at ibiblio. Yahoo is > unacceptable, groups.io is as good or better but storage space is limited > (a consideration for the long haul) and Google Groups has issues with what > email ids subscribers use though that has been proven not to be a problem > for most people, they _can_ use non-Gmail ID's. > > LL > > -- Lawrence F. London, Jr. lfljvenaura at gmail.com Avant Geared avantgearedshop at gmail.com https://sites.google.com/site/avantgeared From organic87 at frontiernet.net Mon Apr 8 10:20:45 2019 From: organic87 at frontiernet.net (Road's End Farm) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2019 10:20:45 -0400 Subject: [nafex] Your experience with Mara des Bois strawberry In-Reply-To: <6756B289-7D3E-4357-8250-EC0C0231DFAA@yahoo.com> References: <6756B289-7D3E-4357-8250-EC0C0231DFAA@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <19279202-D328-45C9-8615-88F29BEB63CA@frontiernet.net> > On Apr 5, 2019, at 6:13 PM, Melissa Kacalanos via nafex wrote: > > When I grew them in Ithaca, NY, zone 5, they were wonderfully flavorful, and small for modern strawberries. A friend who?s a real gourmet, with more refined sensibilities than mine, who didn?t normally stoop to eating modern strawberries, but ate only the alpine strawberries he grew himself, declared upon eating these that he would rip out his alpine strawberries and plant these instead. > > Melissa > I'll have to look into those; they sound interesting. Not sure whether I want to get into everbearers, though; I usually have a lot to harvest as it is later on in the season. -- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 6A now I think Fresh-market organic produce, small scale From leeareich at gmail.com Mon Apr 8 13:36:06 2019 From: leeareich at gmail.com (Lee Reich) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2019 13:36:06 -0400 Subject: [nafex] Your experience with Mara des Bois strawberry In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I was not impressed by their flavor. Lee Lee Reich, PhD Come visit my farmden at http://www.leereich.com/blog http://leereich.com Books by Lee Reich: ?The Ever Curious Gardener: Using a Little Natural Science for a Much Better Garden ?A Northeast Gardener?s Year ?The Pruning Book ?Weedless Gardening ?Uncommon Fruits for every Garden ?Landscaping with Fruit ?Grow Fruit Naturally > On Apr 5, 2019, at 8:25 AM, Sam Brungardt wrote: > > I'd like to find out your experience growing Mara des Bois strawberry. the relatively new day-neutral cultivar developed in France. Please include your zone and city and state in your reply. Thanks! > thanks. -- Sam Brungardt, St. Paul, MN (USDA Hardiness Zone 4b) > > Here's what one nursery's catalog (Jung) says about it: > Mara Des Bois Strawberry > A specialty strawberry developed in France. The small to medium size berries are bright red with a high gloss and are blessed with the highest flavor and fragrance of any strawberry variety. Planted in the spring, it begins bearing during the summer and into the fall. The following year it produces a good spring crop with continued lighter production all season. Excellent for container culture, too. Ideal for home gardeners or commercial applications where high taste and fragrance is required. > > __________________ > nafex mailing list > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: > https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex From sam739is at hotmail.com Mon Apr 8 10:27:52 2019 From: sam739is at hotmail.com (Sam Brungardt) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2019 14:27:52 +0000 Subject: [nafex] Your experience with Mara des Bois strawberry In-Reply-To: <19279202-D328-45C9-8615-88F29BEB63CA@frontiernet.net> References: <6756B289-7D3E-4357-8250-EC0C0231DFAA@yahoo.com>, <19279202-D328-45C9-8615-88F29BEB63CA@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: Thanks for the info. That's pretty high praise for their aroma and flavor. Wonder if anyone in the Midwest or Great Plains has tried them. ________________________________ From: nafex on behalf of Road's End Farm Sent: Monday, April 8, 2019 9:20 AM To: NAFEX email discussion group Subject: Re: [nafex] Your experience with Mara des Bois strawberry > On Apr 5, 2019, at 6:13 PM, Melissa Kacalanos via nafex wrote: > > When I grew them in Ithaca, NY, zone 5, they were wonderfully flavorful, and small for modern strawberries. A friend who?s a real gourmet, with more refined sensibilities than mine, who didn?t normally stoop to eating modern strawberries, but ate only the alpine strawberries he grew himself, declared upon eating these that he would rip out his alpine strawberries and plant these instead. > > Melissa > I'll have to look into those; they sound interesting. Not sure whether I want to get into everbearers, though; I usually have a lot to harvest as it is later on in the season. -- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 6A now I think Fresh-market organic produce, small scale __________________ nafex mailing list nafex at lists.ibiblio.org Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex From growyourown at earthlink.net Mon Apr 8 21:38:00 2019 From: growyourown at earthlink.net (mark wessel) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2019 21:38:00 -0400 Subject: [nafex] Your experience with Mara des Bois strawberry In-Reply-To: References: <6756B289-7D3E-4357-8250-EC0C0231DFAA@yahoo.com> <19279202-D328-45C9-8615-88F29BEB63CA@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: The aroma is incredible. I picked some and put the basket in my truck. When I got in the aroma was overwhelming. Flavor is was decent. Seemed like a pastry chefs dream fruit for finishing a dish. Foliar diseases plagued them but they seemed to carry on. There is a variety from france, Charlotte that has MDB for a parent. It is a day neutral with larger fruits, disease resistance and an intense candy strawberry flavor. It is our farm favorite. Fragrant as well. > On Apr 8, 2019, at 10:27 AM, Sam Brungardt wrote: > > Thanks for the info. That's pretty high praise for their aroma and flavor. Wonder if anyone in the Midwest or Great Plains has tried them. > ________________________________ > From: nafex on behalf of Road's End Farm > Sent: Monday, April 8, 2019 9:20 AM > To: NAFEX email discussion group > Subject: Re: [nafex] Your experience with Mara des Bois strawberry > > > >> On Apr 5, 2019, at 6:13 PM, Melissa Kacalanos via nafex wrote: >> >> When I grew them in Ithaca, NY, zone 5, they were wonderfully flavorful, and small for modern strawberries. A friend who?s a real gourmet, with more refined sensibilities than mine, who didn?t normally stoop to eating modern strawberries, but ate only the alpine strawberries he grew himself, declared upon eating these that he would rip out his alpine strawberries and plant these instead. >> >> Melissa >> > > I'll have to look into those; they sound interesting. > > Not sure whether I want to get into everbearers, though; I usually have a lot to harvest as it is later on in the season. > > > -- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 6A now I think > Fresh-market organic produce, small scale > > > > > __________________ > nafex mailing list > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: > https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > __________________ > nafex mailing list > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: > https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex From pxbacher at gmail.com Mon Apr 8 22:06:17 2019 From: pxbacher at gmail.com (Peter Chrisbacher) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2019 22:06:17 -0400 Subject: [nafex] Your experience with Mara des Bois strawberry In-Reply-To: References: <6756B289-7D3E-4357-8250-EC0C0231DFAA@yahoo.com> <19279202-D328-45C9-8615-88F29BEB63CA@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: Any idea where to get Charlotte strawberry plants? They are sold out everywhere online. Is there a legal issue, or are they just popular? -Pete On Mon, Apr 8, 2019, 9:46 PM mark wessel wrote: > The aroma is incredible. I picked some and put the basket in my truck. > When I got in the aroma was overwhelming. Flavor is was decent. Seemed like > a pastry chefs dream fruit for finishing a dish. Foliar diseases plagued > them but they seemed to carry on. There is a variety from france, Charlotte > that has MDB for a parent. It is a day neutral with larger fruits, disease > resistance and an intense candy strawberry flavor. It is our farm favorite. > Fragrant as well. > > > On Apr 8, 2019, at 10:27 AM, Sam Brungardt wrote: > > > > Thanks for the info. That's pretty high praise for their aroma and > flavor. Wonder if anyone in the Midwest or Great Plains has tried them. > > ________________________________ > > From: nafex on behalf of Road's End > Farm > > Sent: Monday, April 8, 2019 9:20 AM > > To: NAFEX email discussion group > > Subject: Re: [nafex] Your experience with Mara des Bois strawberry > > > > > > > >> On Apr 5, 2019, at 6:13 PM, Melissa Kacalanos via nafex < > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org> wrote: > >> > >> When I grew them in Ithaca, NY, zone 5, they were wonderfully > flavorful, and small for modern strawberries. A friend who?s a real > gourmet, with more refined sensibilities than mine, who didn?t normally > stoop to eating modern strawberries, but ate only the alpine strawberries > he grew himself, declared upon eating these that he would rip out his > alpine strawberries and plant these instead. > >> > >> Melissa > >> > > > > I'll have to look into those; they sound interesting. > > > > Not sure whether I want to get into everbearers, though; I usually have > a lot to harvest as it is later on in the season. > > > > > > -- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 6A now I think > > Fresh-market organic produce, small scale > > > > > > > > > > __________________ > > nafex mailing list > > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: > > https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > > __________________ > > nafex mailing list > > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: > > https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > > __________________ > nafex mailing list > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: > https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > From treehugger53ah at yahoo.com Wed Apr 24 20:32:33 2019 From: treehugger53ah at yahoo.com (treehugger53ah at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2019 00:32:33 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [nafex] wet rootstock? Message-ID: <1730634343.131647.1556152353134@mail.yahoo.com> This question came up on a post about apples. I have no idea. "What do you have coming on wet root rootstock as the garden surface is 2 feet to the surface water table?" Anything to recommend? --Henry Fieldseth Saint Paul, Minnesota. Zone 4 http://www.FriendsSchoolPlantSale.com From cwaitemaclin at me.com Wed Apr 24 20:35:25 2019 From: cwaitemaclin at me.com (C Waite MACLIN) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2019 20:35:25 -0400 Subject: [nafex] wet rootstock? In-Reply-To: <1730634343.131647.1556152353134@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1730634343.131647.1556152353134@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7F5C539B-C127-435F-8273-F7CDE26921AA@me.com> Not sure I understand the question. Waite > On Apr 24, 2019, at 8:32 PM, Henry Feldseth via nafex wrote: > > This question came up on a post about apples. I have no idea. > > "What do you have coming on wet root rootstock as the garden surface is 2 feet to the surface water table?" > > Anything to recommend? > > --Henry Fieldseth > Saint Paul, Minnesota. Zone 4 > http://www.FriendsSchoolPlantSale.com > __________________ > nafex mailing list > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: > https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex C. Waite Maclin Communication Specialist Maclin Consulting P.O. Box 4096 Portland, Maine 04101 207-939-2793