From treehugger53ah at yahoo.com Thu Nov 8 14:37:49 2018 From: treehugger53ah at yahoo.com (Henry) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2018 19:37:49 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [nafex] jujube? References: <1013869844.593734.1541705869503.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1013869844.593734.1541705869503@mail.yahoo.com> A fruit tree catalog from California arrived in the mail with an amazing claim. "Jujubes are high in Vitamin C and often referred to as Chinese Dates. Withstands wide ranging temperatures; from over 100? F to -28? F during dormancy. Requires minimal chill and hot summer sun to set fruit." Their catalog offers five varieties. None are rated to take -28F, but all are rated Zone 5. https://www.groworganic.com/fruit-nut-trees/bareroot-trees/jujube-trees.html Anyone here try jujubes in cold climates? --Henry Fieldseth Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA, Zone 4 From bassgarden at gmail.com Thu Nov 8 14:40:18 2018 From: bassgarden at gmail.com (Bass S) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2018 14:40:18 -0500 Subject: [nafex] jujube? In-Reply-To: <1013869844.593734.1541705869503@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1013869844.593734.1541705869503.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1013869844.593734.1541705869503@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I?m in zone 6 and I?ve been growing jujube for years. I don?t think they?ll do good in colder zones, specially areas with short seasons. On Thu, Nov 8, 2018 at 2:37 PM Henry via nafex wrote: > A fruit tree catalog from California arrived in the mail with an amazing > claim. > > "Jujubes are high in Vitamin C and often referred to as Chinese Dates. > Withstands wide ranging temperatures; from over 100? F to -28? F during > dormancy. Requires minimal chill and hot summer sun to set fruit." > > Their catalog offers five varieties. None are rated to take -28F, but all > are rated Zone 5. > > https://www.groworganic.com/fruit-nut-trees/bareroot-trees/jujube-trees.html > > Anyone here try jujubes in cold climates? > > --Henry Fieldseth > Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA, Zone 4 > > __________________ > nafex mailing list > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: > https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > -- Bass S. Treesofjoy.com From ehilborn at mebtel.net Thu Nov 8 14:59:51 2018 From: ehilborn at mebtel.net (Elizabeth Hilborn) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2018 20:59:51 +0100 Subject: [nafex] jujube? In-Reply-To: References: <1013869844.593734.1541705869503.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1013869844.593734.1541705869503@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yes, short seasons are the issue. I am in zone 7 and had a short list of varieties that would bear early enough in the season. I grow So, Sherwood and Shanxi Li. They bloom late, so late frosts are not an issue. On 11/8/2018 8:40 PM, Bass S wrote: > I?m in zone 6 and I?ve been growing jujube for years. I don?t think they?ll > do good in colder zones, specially areas with short seasons. > > On Thu, Nov 8, 2018 at 2:37 PM Henry via nafex > wrote: > >> A fruit tree catalog from California arrived in the mail with an amazing >> claim. >> >> "Jujubes are high in Vitamin C and often referred to as Chinese Dates. >> Withstands wide ranging temperatures; from over 100? F to -28? F during >> dormancy. Requires minimal chill and hot summer sun to set fruit." >> >> Their catalog offers five varieties. None are rated to take -28F, but all >> are rated Zone 5. >> >> https://www.groworganic.com/fruit-nut-trees/bareroot-trees/jujube-trees.html >> >> Anyone here try jujubes in cold climates? >> >> --Henry Fieldseth >> Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA, Zone 4 >> >> __________________ >> nafex mailing list >> nafex at lists.ibiblio.org >> Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters >> subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: >> https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex >> From iwgarden at earthlink.net Thu Nov 8 17:54:18 2018 From: iwgarden at earthlink.net (Idell Weydemeyer) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2018 15:54:18 -0700 Subject: [nafex] jujube? In-Reply-To: References: <1013869844.593734.1541705869503.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1013869844.593734.1541705869503@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005101d477b5$fbb70ad0$f3252070$@earthlink.net> Jujubes-- if the right variety is selected they can do well in cooler more coastal conditions - I have grown Li which does not need as much heat as the others. Idle In El Sobrante CA -----Original Message----- From: nafex On Behalf Of Elizabeth Hilborn Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2018 1:00 PM To: North American Fruit Explorers Subject: Re: [nafex] jujube? Yes, short seasons are the issue. I am in zone 7 and had a short list of varieties that would bear early enough in the season. I grow So, Sherwood and Shanxi Li. They bloom late, so late frosts are not an issue. On 11/8/2018 8:40 PM, Bass S wrote: > I?m in zone 6 and I?ve been growing jujube for years. I don?t think > they?ll do good in colder zones, specially areas with short seasons. > > On Thu, Nov 8, 2018 at 2:37 PM Henry via nafex > > wrote: > >> A fruit tree catalog from California arrived in the mail with an >> amazing claim. >> >> "Jujubes are high in Vitamin C and often referred to as Chinese Dates. >> Withstands wide ranging temperatures; from over 100? F to -28? F >> during dormancy. Requires minimal chill and hot summer sun to set fruit." >> >> Their catalog offers five varieties. None are rated to take -28F, but >> all are rated Zone 5. >> >> https://www.groworganic.com/fruit-nut-trees/bareroot-trees/jujube-tre >> es.html >> >> Anyone here try jujubes in cold climates? >> >> --Henry Fieldseth >> Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA, Zone 4 >> >> __________________ >> nafex mailing list >> nafex at lists.ibiblio.org >> Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters subscribe/unsubscribe|user >> config|list info: >> https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex >> __________________ nafex mailing list nafex at lists.ibiblio.org Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex From ramoyer at gmail.com Thu Nov 8 19:15:21 2018 From: ramoyer at gmail.com (Richard Moyer) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2018 19:15:21 -0500 Subject: [nafex] Jujube hardiness In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Henry, All our jujube trees came through -17 F in Jan, without winter injury. We live in SW VA, in the mountains. > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2018 19:37:49 +0000 (UTC) > From: Henry > To: mailing list at ibiblio - Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > > Subject: [nafex] jujube? > Message-ID: <1013869844.593734.1541705869503 at mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > A fruit tree catalog from California arrived in the mail with an amazing > claim. > > "Jujubes are high in Vitamin C and often referred to as Chinese Dates. > Withstands wide ranging temperatures; from over 100? F to -28? F during > dormancy. Requires minimal chill and hot summer sun to set fruit." > > Their catalog offers five varieties. None are rated to take -28F, but all > are rated Zone 5. > > https://www.groworganic.com/fruit-nut-trees/bareroot-trees/jujube-trees.html > > Anyone here try jujubes in cold climates? > > --Henry Fieldseth > Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA, Zone 4 > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > __________________ > nafex mailing list > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: > https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > > > ------------------------------ > > End of nafex Digest, Vol 223, Issue 1 > ************************************* > From ramoyer at gmail.com Thu Nov 8 19:20:44 2018 From: ramoyer at gmail.com (Richard Moyer) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2018 19:20:44 -0500 Subject: [nafex] Jujube? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Here in Mtns of SW VA, last frost date mid-3rd week of May. First frost date can be third week of Sept. Summer temps mild; the record high for many July days is lower 90s. I don't if this qualifies as "short season" but our Jujubes fruit every year, without miss. Been getting fruit 17 yrs now. Richard Moyer SW VA Great year for Li and Lang jujubes. Also trifoliate orange. From organic87 at frontiernet.net Thu Nov 8 19:42:03 2018 From: organic87 at frontiernet.net (Road's End Farm) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2018 19:42:03 -0500 Subject: [nafex] Jujube? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <53D74A2B-7E64-420C-9880-0FE00BDF6ECF@frontiernet.net> > On Nov 8, 2018, at 7:15 PM, Richard Moyer wrote: > > Henry, All our jujube trees came through -17 F in Jan, without winter > injury. We live in SW VA, in the mountains. > On Nov 8, 2018, at 7:20 PM, Richard Moyer wrote: > > Here in Mtns of SW VA, last frost date mid-3rd week of May. First frost > date can be third week of Sept. Summer temps mild; the record high for > many July days is lower 90s. > I don't if this qualifies as "short season" but our Jujubes fruit every > year, without miss. Been getting fruit 17 yrs now. > Richard Moyer > SW VA > Great year for Li and Lang jujubes. Also trifoliate orange. Hmm. Maybe I should give jujube a try. Our season didn?t use to be reliably that long; but now most of the time it?s longer. I?m not sure I?ve ever seen -17 F here; and even negative low teens has become quite uncommon. ? and I?d like to say that it?s nice to see this list resurface in my mailbox! -- Rivka; Finger Lakes NY, Zone 6A now I think Fresh-market organic produce, small scale From ehilborn at mebtel.net Fri Nov 9 01:52:08 2018 From: ehilborn at mebtel.net (Elizabeth Hilborn) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2018 07:52:08 +0100 Subject: [nafex] Jujube? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Richard,? Which varieties have survived and borne in your cooler area? Any recommendations? Betsy On 11/9/2018 1:20 AM, Richard Moyer wrote: > Here in Mtns of SW VA, last frost date mid-3rd week of May. First frost > date can be third week of Sept. Summer temps mild; the record high for > many July days is lower 90s. > I don't if this qualifies as "short season" but our Jujubes fruit every > year, without miss. Been getting fruit 17 yrs now. > Richard Moyer > SW VA > Great year for Li and Lang jujubes. Also trifoliate orange. > __________________ > nafex mailing list > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: > https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > From rosholdt at erols.com Fri Nov 9 09:26:42 2018 From: rosholdt at erols.com (Rosholdt) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2018 09:26:42 -0500 Subject: [nafex] Jujube? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4136e481-d9a1-d263-f246-17d0cd0f3331@erols.com> Ask Cliff @ England's Nursery.? He is a jujube maven! Barbara Rosholdt On 11/9/2018 1:52 AM, nafex-request at lists.ibiblio.org wrote: > Send nafex mailing list submissions to > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > nafex-request at lists.ibiblio.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > nafex-owner at lists.ibiblio.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of nafex digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Jujube? (Road's End Farm) > 2. Re: Jujube? (Elizabeth Hilborn) > > > __________________ > nafex mailing list > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: > https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex From BTnutrition at aol.com Fri Nov 9 11:47:21 2018 From: BTnutrition at aol.com (Jeanne M Wallace, PhD, CNC) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2018 16:47:21 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [nafex] jujube in "cold" climates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2117936965.1606220.1541782041638@mail.yahoo.com> I'm in zone 5 (northern Utah/Idaho border, 4,900' elevation, 18" annual precip) and grow Li and Lang, now nearly 10 yrs old. They are planted on a south-facing slope, slightly warmer microclimate, very hot/dry summer location, high winter wind area. I get good crops and have not experienced winter injury. I watered them first 2 yrs to get them established, but they have no supplemental irrigation at this point, though are in a bed with deep mulch (permaculture system) and companion plantings w/sea buckthorn (N-fixer). Lang is 8' tall, Li stopped at 4'. On Thursday, November 8, 2018, 12:59:56 PM MST, nafex-request at lists.ibiblio.org wrote: Send nafex mailing list submissions to ??? nafex at lists.ibiblio.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? nafex-request at lists.ibiblio.org You can reach the person managing the list at ??? nafex-owner at lists.ibiblio.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of nafex digest..." Today's Topics: ? 1. Re:? jujube? (Bass S) ? 2. Re:? jujube? (Elizabeth Hilborn) I?m in zone 6 and I?ve been growing jujube for years. I don?t think they?ll do good in colder zones, specially areas with short seasons. On Thu, Nov 8, 2018 at 2:37 PM Henry via nafex wrote: > A fruit tree catalog from California arrived in the mail with an amazing > claim. > > "Jujubes are high in Vitamin C and often referred to as Chinese Dates. > Withstands wide ranging temperatures; from over 100? F to -28? F during > dormancy. Requires minimal chill and hot summer sun to set fruit." > > Their catalog offers five varieties. None are rated to take -28F, but all > are rated Zone 5. > > https://www.groworganic.com/fruit-nut-trees/bareroot-trees/jujube-trees.html > > Anyone here try jujubes in cold climates? > > --Henry Fieldseth > Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA, Zone 4 > > __________________ > nafex mailing list > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters > subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: > https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > -- Bass S. Treesofjoy.com Yes, short seasons are the issue. I am in zone 7 and had a short list of varieties that would bear early enough in the season. I grow So, Sherwood and Shanxi Li. They bloom late, so late frosts are not an issue. On 11/8/2018 8:40 PM, Bass S wrote: > I?m in zone 6 and I?ve been growing jujube for years. I don?t think they?ll > do good in colder zones, specially areas with short seasons. > > On Thu, Nov 8, 2018 at 2:37 PM Henry via nafex > wrote: > >> A fruit tree catalog from California arrived in the mail with an amazing >> claim. >> >> "Jujubes are high in Vitamin C and often referred to as Chinese Dates. >> Withstands wide ranging temperatures; from over 100? F to -28? F during >> dormancy. Requires minimal chill and hot summer sun to set fruit." >> >> Their catalog offers five varieties. None are rated to take -28F, but all >> are rated Zone 5. >> >> https://www.groworganic.com/fruit-nut-trees/bareroot-trees/jujube-trees.html >> >> Anyone here try jujubes in cold climates? >> >> --Henry Fieldseth >> Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA, Zone 4 >> >> __________________ >> nafex mailing list >> nafex at lists.ibiblio.org >> Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters >> subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: >> https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex >> __________________ nafex mailing list nafex at lists.ibiblio.org Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex From naomi at oznayim.us Fri Nov 9 12:12:07 2018 From: naomi at oznayim.us (naomi at oznayim.us) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2018 10:12:07 -0700 Subject: [nafex] jujube in "cold" climates In-Reply-To: <2117936965.1606220.1541782041638@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2117936965.1606220.1541782041638@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001001d4784f$59f1b7f0$0dd527d0$@oznayim.us> Well that is encouraging. I am in Payette Idaho, Zone 6 Oregon border. Not that much wind. But my front flower bed has extra heat reflected down on it from the wall of the house that faces west. As a result I have a faithfully bearing apricot tree. And raspberries, and currants. Naomi -----Original Message----- From: nafex On Behalf Of Jeanne M Wallace, PhD, CNC via nafex Sent: Friday, November 9, 2018 9:47 AM To: nafex at lists.ibiblio.org Cc: Jeanne M Wallace, PhD, CNC Subject: Re: [nafex] jujube in "cold" climates I'm in zone 5 (northern Utah/Idaho border, 4,900' elevation, 18" annual precip) and grow Li and Lang, now nearly 10 yrs old. They are planted on a south-facing slope, slightly warmer microclimate, very hot/dry summer location, high winter wind area. I get good crops and have not experienced winter injury. I watered them first 2 yrs to get them established, but they have no supplemental irrigation at this point, though are in a bed with deep mulch (permaculture system) and companion plantings w/sea buckthorn (N-fixer). Lang is 8' tall, Li stopped at 4'. On Thursday, November 8, 2018, 12:59:56 PM MST, nafex-request at lists.ibiblio.org wrote: Send nafex mailing list submissions to nafex at lists.ibiblio.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to nafex-request at lists.ibiblio.org You can reach the person managing the list at nafex-owner at lists.ibiblio.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of nafex digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: jujube? (Bass S) 2. Re: jujube? (Elizabeth Hilborn) I m in zone 6 and I ve been growing jujube for years. I don t think they ll do good in colder zones, specially areas with short seasons. On Thu, Nov 8, 2018 at 2:37 PM Henry via nafex wrote: > A fruit tree catalog from California arrived in the mail with an > amazing claim. > > "Jujubes are high in Vitamin C and often referred to as Chinese Dates. > Withstands wide ranging temperatures; from over 100 F to -28 F > during dormancy. Requires minimal chill and hot summer sun to set fruit." > > Their catalog offers five varieties. None are rated to take -28F, but > all are rated Zone 5. > > https://www.groworganic.com/fruit-nut-trees/bareroot-trees/jujube-tree > s.html > > Anyone here try jujubes in cold climates? > > --Henry Fieldseth > Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA, Zone 4 > > __________________ > nafex mailing list > nafex at lists.ibiblio.org > Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters subscribe/unsubscribe|user > config|list info: > https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex > -- Bass S. Treesofjoy.com Yes, short seasons are the issue. I am in zone 7 and had a short list of varieties that would bear early enough in the season. I grow So, Sherwood and Shanxi Li. They bloom late, so late frosts are not an issue. On 11/8/2018 8:40 PM, Bass S wrote: > I m in zone 6 and I ve been growing jujube for years. I don t think > they ll do good in colder zones, specially areas with short seasons. > > On Thu, Nov 8, 2018 at 2:37 PM Henry via nafex > > wrote: > >> A fruit tree catalog from California arrived in the mail with an >> amazing claim. >> >> "Jujubes are high in Vitamin C and often referred to as Chinese Dates. >> Withstands wide ranging temperatures; from over 100 F to -28 F >> during dormancy. Requires minimal chill and hot summer sun to set fruit." >> >> Their catalog offers five varieties. None are rated to take -28F, but >> all are rated Zone 5. >> >> https://www.groworganic.com/fruit-nut-trees/bareroot-trees/jujube-tre >> es.html >> >> Anyone here try jujubes in cold climates? >> >> --Henry Fieldseth >> Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA, Zone 4 >> >> __________________ >> nafex mailing list >> nafex at lists.ibiblio.org >> Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters subscribe/unsubscribe|user >> config|list info: >> https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex >> __________________ nafex mailing list nafex at lists.ibiblio.org Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex __________________ nafex mailing list nafex at lists.ibiblio.org Northamerican Allied Fruit Experimenters subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex From shelleyrogers at eml.cc Tue Nov 13 11:19:09 2018 From: shelleyrogers at eml.cc (Shelley Rogers) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2018 11:19:09 -0500 Subject: [nafex] goumi and mold Message-ID: <1542125949.2637216.1575501880.5DBEFDF4@webmail.messagingengine.com> Hello NAFEXers, Has anyone encountered difficulty with mold on goumi? I am in the southeast where humidity presents a real challenge for fruit growing. I have found that goumi are quite astringent until ripe (when they can easily be pulled from their stems) but that by the time they are ripe, a black mold begins to appear on the surface and quickly spreads between fruit. For the two years the plants have been fruiting, I have lost the majority of the crop to the mold. This year, I covered the plants with a low-tunnel (with the sides open) to keep the plants dry. Even this did not seem to reduce the mold spread. I could probably be more cognizant of only harvesting when the dew has dried. I am not certain if goumi will continue ripening off the plant. Does anyone have experience with this? Any suggestions or recommendations? I love the taste of goumi and they are popular with my market customers. They seem worthwhile if I can figure out a solution to the mold. Thank you, Shelley Orby Dare Orchard Cedar Grove, NC From ehilborn at mebtel.net Tue Nov 13 12:35:02 2018 From: ehilborn at mebtel.net (ehilborn at mebtel.net) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2018 18:35:02 +0100 Subject: [nafex] goumi and mold Message-ID: <5qj1she2hkhk8agbqyin53ry.1542130501683@email.android.com> Shelly, I grow 2 varieties in your area. I do not have problems with mold. I have them about 6 feet apart and they are at least 7 feet high. They have sun from mid morning through sunset. They have moderate air flow only.?Contact me off list if you wish to discussBetsy Hilborn?Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note? 3, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Shelley Rogers Date: 11/13/2018 5:19 PM (GMT+01:00) To: nafex at lists.ibiblio.org Subject: [nafex] goumi and mold Hello NAFEXers,Has anyone encountered difficulty with mold on goumi? I am in the southeast where humidity presents a real challenge for fruit growing.I have found that goumi are quite astringent until ripe (when they can easily be pulled from their stems) but that by the time they are ripe, a black mold begins to appear on the surface and quickly spreads between fruit. For the two years the plants have been fruiting, I have lost the majority of the crop to the mold. This year, I covered the plants with a low-tunnel (with the sides open) to keep the plants dry. Even this did not seem to reduce the mold spread. I could probably be more cognizant of only harvesting when the dew has dried. I am not certain if goumi will continue ripening off the plant. Does anyone have experience with this? Any suggestions or recommendations?I love the taste of goumi and they are popular with my market customers. They seem worthwhile if I can figure out a solution to the mold. Thank you,Shelley Orby Dare OrchardCedar Grove, NC__________________nafex mailing listnafex at lists.ibiblio.orgNorthamerican Allied Fruit Experimenterssubscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info:https://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/nafex